Gas Prices Surge

[taft2012]

And I didn't want you to miss where you credited BO with the brilliance of his energy policy.

Are you a high school kid like Bing? Too young to remember the Bush presidency and reliant on all of your data from your liberal high school teachers?

When did liberals ever credit Bush policies when gas prices dipped?



lol... the radio announcer from the Hindenburg disaster should be providing commentary on this thread...

"Oh, the epic pwnage!"

[fj1200]

Are you a high school kid like Bing? Too young to remember the Bush presidency and reliant on all of your data from your liberal high school teachers?

When did liberals ever credit Bush policies when gas prices dipped?

Seeing as how that's all you have left you can go back to the ol' standby as well. And please point out where I claimed liberals gave Bush credit.

lol... the radio announcer from the Hindenburg disaster should be providing commentary on this thread...

"Oh, the epic pwnage!"

So this is what it feels like to be a cop in an interrogation room holding a phone book. I feel a confession coming on.

[taft2012]

Seeing as how that's all you have left you can go back to the ol' standby as well. And please point out where I claimed liberals gave Bush credit.

As I've pointed out, ad infinitum, I am employing the liberal argument relative to gas/oil pricing. Which you clearly do not understand.

I didn't say you said liberals gave Bush credit... hence the rhetorical question mark (?) concluding the sentence. I was pointing out how they blamed Bush for higher prices and ignored price dips, which is why I am doing the same.

You're pretty much beaten down here and I have to leave for work now. Go hump Jimmy's leg for a while. I traded you to him for a pack of smokes of few minutes ago.

[fj1200]

As I've pointed out, ad infinitum, I am employing the liberal argument relative to gas/oil pricing. Which you clearly do not understand.

I understand it. I also understand that it's ignorant. The ignorance is in you thinking it's effective.

I didn't say you said liberals gave Bush credit... hence the rhetorical question mark (?) concluding the sentence. I was pointing out how they blamed Bush for higher prices and ignored price dips, which is why I am doing the same.

There's a difference between rhetorical question marks and normal question marks?* Who knew?*

* Question marks are rhetorical in nature.

You're pretty much beaten down here and I have to leave for work now. Go hump Jimmy's leg for a while. I traded you to him for a pack of smokes of few minutes ago.

Don't forget your phone book. It makes up for so much when you're lacking talent and natural ability.

[red states rule]

As I've pointed out, ad infinitum, I am employing the liberal argument relative to gas/oil pricing. Which you clearly do not understand.

I didn't say you said liberals gave Bush credit... hence the rhetorical question mark (?) concluding the sentence. I was pointing out how they blamed Bush for higher prices and ignored price dips, which is why I am doing the same.

You're pretty much beaten down here and I have to leave for work now. Go hump Jimmy's leg for a while. I traded you to him for a pack of smokes of few minutes ago.

Taft, you have to consider the source

I honestly believe FU thinks he does all of us a favor when everyday he comes down from his Ivory Tower and grace us - the unwashed masses - with his presence. Someone of his greatness taking time to talk down to people like us - who are not worthy of his time and respect - he should in awe of his moral and intellectual superiority

FU used to be a decent poster but something happened to him. Like OCA I suspect he become highly offended when many poster here refused to bow down before him and tell him how magnificent he is

[logroller]

Taft, you have to consider the source

I honestly believe FU thinks he does all of us a favor when everyday he comes down from his Ivory Tower and grace us - the unwashed masses - with his presence. Someone of his greatness taking time to talk down to people like us - who are not worthy of his time and respect - he should in awe of his moral and intellectual superiority

FU used to be a decent poster but something happened to him. Like OCA I suspect he become highly offended when many poster here refused to bow down before him and tell him how magnificent he is

Still waiting for your response to why gas prices have risen sharply for over a decade; not just since Obama.

[red states rule]

there has been no appreciable decline in prices since Obama took office.

Just 5 years of increases

[red states rule]

Still waiting for your response to why gas prices have risen sharply for over a decade; not just since Obama.

Pres Bush lowered gas prices by opening more Federal land for drilling, and doing everything to increase supply.

Obama on the other hand has restricted drilling and doing everything he can to lower production on Federal land. Also the Obama administration has been printing trillions of dollars out of thin air devalues the dollar.

Oil is still traded in dollars I believe

But Obama is on the record for wanting high gas prices

[logroller]

Pres Bush lowered gas prices by opening more Federal land for drilling, and doing everything to increase supply.

Obama on the other hand has restricted drilling and doing everything he can to lower production on Federal land. Also the Obama administration has been printing trillions of dollars out of thin air devalues the dollar.

Oil is still traded in dollars I believe

But Obama is on the record for wanting high gas prices

Bush lowered gas prices? Think again.

Oil is getting harder and harder to extract due to geophysical realities-- the easy oil is gone-- been drilled and extracted already. What's left will require more and more energy to extract-- yes technology allows us to extract more, as does deep water drilling etc-- but those methods require more and more energy invested relative to what energy is extract. Energy extracted/energy invested. It's a simple ratio that is getting smaller and smaller. This is a reality that drilling cannot undo, oil producers know this-- as reflected in oil prices over history.
Here's us production relative to drilling.


Oh sure, we can bump production from things like horizontal drilling through oil shales of North Dakota, the tar sands of Canada, deep water drilling in the gulf (even federal lands, but thats miniscule) and just like the north slope of Alaska in the late seventies/early eighties (that's that bump in the production chart/ reflected in the price decrease following) it only retards the inevitable rise of prices. For even Prudhoe Bay, the Most productive oil field in the United States didn't bring us back to peak levels.

Oil is precious, not unlimited; so it needs to be conserved. Sadly, the vast majority of consumers just don't give a damn about oil conservation unless it hits them in the pocketbook. So to get people to conserve, prices may be increased to effectuate conservation. You don't like paying a lot for gas, drive less-- car pool, mass transit, live closer to where you work, walk/ bike to the store, go electric, hybrid ,smaller car...Or just enjoy your driving and know that its your freedom to blow your money however you wish; but the oil resources are ours, not just yours, and many of us want to leave something besides a cautionary lesson on resource depletion to future generations.

[fj1200]

Taft, you have to consider the source

Yes, consider the source; it's, as some say around here, the TRUTH. Besides, Taft said he pretty much agreed with my arguments and was only harping on the hypocrisy.

I understand perfectly well how gas and oil pricing works, and made those same arguments ad nauseum during the Bush presidency...

I honestly believe FU thinks he does all of us a favor when everyday he comes down from his Ivory Tower and grace us - the unwashed masses - with his presence. Someone of his greatness taking time to talk down to people like us - who are not worthy of his time and respect - he should in awe of his moral and intellectual superiority

There are many things you believe that aren't true so we'll just add this to the list along with the overarching control that the POTUS apparently can control international markets.

FU used to be a decent poster but something happened to him. Like OCA I suspect he become highly offended when many poster here refused to bow down before him and tell him how magnificent he is

Well we do know how you define "decent poster" here and it's someone who doesn't drink the same koolaid as you.

[fj1200]

Pres Bush lowered gas prices by opening more Federal land for drilling, and doing everything to increase supply.

He did? I submit gas prices for his second term... and BO's first.


We produce ~9% of the worlds oil; do you really expect domestic production to impact global prices?

Obama on the other hand has restricted drilling and doing everything he can to lower production on Federal land. Also the Obama administration has been printing trillions of dollars out of thin air devalues the dollar.

You might actually be stumbling into the answer there but dollar devaluation has been going on for a good ten years now.



The best place to start looking is to ask who controls monetary policy in this country?

Oil is still traded in dollars I believe

Much to the BRIC's chagrin but it really is not on point.

But Obama is on the record for wanting high gas prices

He is on the record for many things, doesn't mean he gets them.

[Voted4Reagan]

$4.25 a gallon now at spots on Long Island...

No relief in sight

Obama continues to love Big Oil Profits

[red states rule]

$4.25 a gallon now at spots on Long Island...

No relief in sight

Obama continues to love Big Oil Profits

Actually the amount in taxes that are assessed to a gallon of gas far exceeds the profit the oil company makes off the sale of a gallon of gas

So when people whine about price gouging they should be looking at local, state, and federal taxes and not what the oil companies make in profit