Does Jesus want Christians to fight ever?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

All have been good points to consider. Yet I am still not convinced that it is commanded to never fight back. The Old Testament is full of God instructing the Jewish tribes to fight back against their attackers. And if turning the other cheek was intended to be the only response that a Christian should engage in then explain why Jesus did not do that when he ran the money changers /lenders out of the Temple. Instead he took direct , physical aggressive actions against them.
I do not think it is as cut and dry as some are presenting it to be.
As far as Jesus stopping the use of swords to save him from his known and purposeful fate that is easily understood. He was giving his life for all of us and did not want that sacrifice stopped..-Tyr

[darin]

All have been good points to consider. Yet I am still not convinced that it is commanded to never fight back. The Old Testament is full of God instructing the Jewish tribes to fight back against their attackers. And if turning the other cheek was intended to be the only response that a Christian should engage in then explain why Jesus did not do that when he ran the money changers /lenders out of the Temple. Instead he took direct , physical aggressive actions against them.
I do not think it is as cut and dry as some are presenting it to be.
As far as Jesus stopping the use of swords to save him from his known and purposeful fate that is easily understood. He was giving his life for all of us and did not want that sacrifice stopped..-Tyr

The OT doesn't matter except as to show the path to how Christ works; And since believers have no condemnation, what we ultimately decide, based on our prayers and study and all that - is of little concern. </SPAN>

God's commandments to one person or group are NOT commands, necessarily, to every subsequent group.</SPAN>

[revelarts]

James 4:5 out of context but... not really
Do you think that the scripture says this in vain...

The OT doesn't matter except as to show the path to how Christ works; And since believers have no condemnation, what we ultimately decide, based on our prayers and study and all that - is of little concern.

God's commandments to one person or group are NOT commands, necessarily, to every subsequent group.

they are not NECESSARILY commands to everyone. each case has to be checked. IMO you dismiss a bit to much with a wave of the hand.


2 Timothy 3:15-17
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

and timothy was Greek BTW, so that removes any Jewish only application and the passage is an encouragement for Timothy, a pastor, to teach the same to other "men of God" , also mostly gentiles.

Notice the separation of salvation and good works.
it's not keep the commands or go to Hell. But it's not -the law is of little concern- either.
Jesus has salvation covered but the Old testament scripture has a place of helping us , training us, correcting us to live out the new life Jesus has put in.
The old testament law is not something to fear and dismiss but that is profitable for many things. Not to be worshiped but it is the inspired words and profitable for EVERY good work.
DMP you assert you have the privilege of just following your heart and the Spirit of God alone, ...into all righteousness.
But it seems the rest of us seem to need a bit of instruction and correction from time to time.

[darin]

Since Christ fulfilled the law...our salvation is not hinged upon it. It's hinged solely upon His grace. If it were based on the law, one measure, salvation would be impossible. Grace is not justice. If you choose to follow the law, good on ya! But just know you bear that yoke willingly - because its not placed on you from God. Christ draws people to god. Not the law. Not the bible. Christ. It's how people can know God but not be aware of the bible.

[revelarts]

Since Christ fulfilled the law...our salvation is not hinged upon it. It's hinged solely upon His grace. If it were based on the law, one measure, salvation would be impossible. Grace is not justice. If you choose to follow the law, good on ya! But just know you bear that yoke willingly - because its not placed on you from God. Christ draws people to god. Not the law. Not the bible. Christ. It's how people can know God but not be aware of the bible.

It seems you have a hard time separating the idea of the law from salvation.
read the verses above and my comments again.

the law is not for salvation but profitable for...

the bible is Gods word so why wouldn't a child of God be very drawn to it?
and Jesus himself quoted the old testament when tempted.
he didn't just rely on his heart.

[avatar4321]

Since Christ fulfilled the law...our salvation is not hinged upon it. It's hinged solely upon His grace. If it were based on the law, one measure, salvation would be impossible. Grace is not justice. If you choose to follow the law, good on ya! But just know you bear that yoke willingly - because its not placed on you from God. Christ draws people to god. Not the law. Not the bible. Christ. It's how people can know God but not be aware of the bible.

Our Salvation was never hinged upon the law. That doesn't mean we dont recieve other blessings for keeping the commandments though.

[darin]

Our Salvation was never hinged upon the law. That doesn't mean we dont recieve other blessings for keeping the commandments though.

I think I disagree because I see it differently. Loving God means the law - however invalid on its face - will be kept because every 'behaviour regulation' cited by the law of moses is kept 'on accident'. Make sense?