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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    It's already been posted for you - the Liturgy hours are supposed to be followed by the laity as well - that IS the Catholic people. Why is that so hard to understand. It was clearly posted, and I'll do so again. Notice where it includes the laity at the end, and that this is prescribed by the Catholic Church. The laity are followers of the Catholic Church. I don't know how much clearer this can get. It's canonical law that is supposed to apply to ALL in the Catholic Church.

    The Liturgy of the Hours (Latin: Liturgia Horarum) or Divine Office (Latin: Officium Divinum) or canonical hours, often referred to as the Breviary, is the official set of daily prayers prescribed by the Catholic Church to be recited by clergy, religious institutes, and laity. <--------- LAITY, LAITY, LAITY

    It IS there for every Catholic, not just those in the Vatican or Priests or the equivalent. These ARE set times for Catholics, it's extremely clear that there are, or why list them and state that it's to be recited by the laity? Just because the folk you know don't follow this - does NOT mean it's not right there for all to read as canonical law.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgy_of_the_Hours

    Liturgy of the Hours of Paul VI[edit]


    After the Second Vatican Council, Pope Paul VI promulgated a new Roman Breviary, commonly referred to as "Liturgy of the Hours." The structure of the offices, the distribution of psalms, and the prayers themselves were modified. Prime was suppressed entirely. In short, the burden was lessened. "Major" and "minor" hours were defined:

    • The Officium lectionis, or Office of Readings, (formerly Matins) — major hour
    • Lauds or Morning prayer — major hour
    • Daytime prayer, which can be one or all of:
      • Terce or Mid-Morning Prayer
      • Sext or Midday Prayer
      • None or Mid-Afternoon Prayer

    • Vespers or Evening Prayer — major hour
    • Compline or Night Prayer

    All hours, including the minor hours, start with the versicle from Ps 69(70) v. 2 (as do all offices in the traditional Breviary except Matins and Compline): "V. Deus in adjutorium meum intende. R. Domine ad adjuvandum me festina" (God come to my assistance, Lord make haste to help me), followed by the doxology. The verse is omitted if the hour begins with the Invitatory (Lauds or Office of Reading). The Invitatory is the introduction to the first hour said on the current day, whether it be the Office of Readings or Morning Prayer. The opening is followed by a hymn. The hymn is followed by psalmody. The psalmody is followed by a scripture reading. The reading is called a chapter (capitula) if it is short, or a lesson (lectio) if it is long. The reading is followed by a versicle. The hour is closed by an oration followed by a concluding versicle. Other components are included depending on the exact type of hour being celebrated. In each office, the psalms and canticle are framed by antiphons, and each concludes with the traditional Catholic doxology.
    Major hours[edit]

    The major hours consist of the Office of Readings, Morning (or Lauds) and Evening Prayer (or Vespers).
    The Office of Readings consists of:

    • opening versicle or invitatory
    • a hymn
    • one or two long psalms divided into three parts
    • a long passage from scripture, usually arranged so that in any one week, all the readings come from the same text
    • a long hagiographical passage, such as an account of a saint's martyrdom, or a theological treatise commenting on some aspect of the scriptural reading, or a passage from the documents of the Second Vatican Council
    • on nights preceding Sundays and feast days, the office may be expanded to a vigil by inserting three Old Testament canticles and a reading from the gospels
    • the hymn Te Deum (on Sundays, solemnities, and feasts, except in Lent)
    • the concluding prayer
    • a short concluding verse (especially when prayed in groups)

    The character of Morning Prayer is that of praise; of Evening Prayer, that of thanksgiving. Both follow a similar format:

    • opening versicle or (for morning prayer) the invitatory
    • a hymn, composed by the Church
    • two psalms, or parts of psalms with a scriptural canticle. At Morning Prayer, this consists of a psalm of praise, a canticle from the Old Testament, followed by another psalm. At Evening Prayer this consists of two psalms, or one psalm divided into two parts, and a scriptural canticle taken from the New Testament.
    • a short passage from scripture
    • a responsory, typically a verse of scripture, but sometimes liturgical poetry
    • a canticle taken from the Gospel of Luke: the Canticle of Zechariah (Benedictus) for morning prayer, and the Canticle of Mary (Magnificat) for evening prayer
    • intercessions, composed by the Church
    • the Lord's Prayer
    • the concluding prayer, composed by the Church
    • a blessing given by the priest or deacon leading Morning or Evening Prayer, or in the absence of clergy and in individual recitation, a short concluding versicle.

    Minor hours[edit]

    The daytime hours follow a simpler format, like a very compact form of the Office of Readings:

    • opening versicle
    • a hymn
    • three short psalms, or, three pieces of longer psalms; in the daytime hours when only one is said it follows a variable psalmody which usually opens with part of the longest psalm, psalm 118/119, when all three are said this psalmody is used at one of the hours, while the other two follow the complementary psalmody which consists of 119/120-121/122 at Terce, 122/123-124/125 at Sext and 125/126-127/128 at None
    • a very short passage of scripture, followed by a responsorial verse
    • the concluding prayer
    • a short concluding verse (V. Benedicamus Domino R. Deo gratias)

    Night prayer has the character of preparing the soul for its passage to eternal life:

    • opening versicle
    • an examination of conscience
    • a hymn
    • a psalm, or two short psalms; The psalms of Sunday - Psalm 90/91 or 4 & 133/134 - may always be used as an alternative to the psalm(s) appointed on weekdays
    • a short reading from scripture
    • the responsory In manus tuas, Domine (Into Your Hands, Lord)
    • the Canticle of Simeon, Nunc dimittis, from the Gospel of Luke, framed by the antiphon Salva nos (Save us Lord)
    • a concluding prayer
    • a short blessing (noctem quietam et finem perfectum concedat nobis dominus omnipotens. Amen.)
    • Marian antiphon without versicle and concluding prayer; either one of the four traditional seasonal antiphons, or Sub Tuum, or another antiphon approved by the local episcopal conference; the Regina Caeli is always used in Eastertide.



    That's NOT a schedule to be followed by the laity.
    Last edited by Missileman; 06-06-2013 at 04:28 PM. Reason: add link
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    Liturgy of the Hours of Paul VI[edit]


    After the Second Vatican Council, Pope Paul VI promulgated a new Roman Breviary, commonly referred to as "Liturgy of the Hours." The structure of the offices, the distribution of psalms, and the prayers themselves were modified. Prime was suppressed entirely. In short, the burden was lessened. "Major" and "minor" hours were defined:

    • The Officium lectionis, or Office of Readings, (formerly Matins) — major hour
    • Lauds or Morning prayer — major hour
    • Daytime prayer, which can be one or all of:
      • Terce or Mid-Morning Prayer
      • Sext or Midday Prayer
      • None or Mid-Afternoon Prayer

    • Vespers or Evening Prayer — major hour
    • Compline or Night Prayer

    All hours, including the minor hours, start with the versicle from Ps 69(70) v. 2 (as do all offices in the traditional Breviary except Matins and Compline): "V. Deus in adjutorium meum intende. R. Domine ad adjuvandum me festina" (God come to my assistance, Lord make haste to help me), followed by the doxology. The verse is omitted if the hour begins with the Invitatory (Lauds or Office of Reading). The Invitatory is the introduction to the first hour said on the current day, whether it be the Office of Readings or Morning Prayer. The opening is followed by a hymn. The hymn is followed by psalmody. The psalmody is followed by a scripture reading. The reading is called a chapter (capitula) if it is short, or a lesson (lectio) if it is long. The reading is followed by a versicle. The hour is closed by an oration followed by a concluding versicle. Other components are included depending on the exact type of hour being celebrated. In each office, the psalms and canticle are framed by antiphons, and each concludes with the traditional Catholic doxology.
    Major hours[edit]

    The major hours consist of the Office of Readings, Morning (or Lauds) and Evening Prayer (or Vespers).
    The Office of Readings consists of:

    • opening versicle or invitatory
    • a hymn
    • one or two long psalms divided into three parts
    • a long passage from scripture, usually arranged so that in any one week, all the readings come from the same text
    • a long hagiographical passage, such as an account of a saint's martyrdom, or a theological treatise commenting on some aspect of the scriptural reading, or a passage from the documents of the Second Vatican Council
    • on nights preceding Sundays and feast days, the office may be expanded to a vigil by inserting three Old Testament canticles and a reading from the gospels
    • the hymn Te Deum (on Sundays, solemnities, and feasts, except in Lent)
    • the concluding prayer
    • a short concluding verse (especially when prayed in groups)

    The character of Morning Prayer is that of praise; of Evening Prayer, that of thanksgiving. Both follow a similar format:

    • opening versicle or (for morning prayer) the invitatory
    • a hymn, composed by the Church
    • two psalms, or parts of psalms with a scriptural canticle. At Morning Prayer, this consists of a psalm of praise, a canticle from the Old Testament, followed by another psalm. At Evening Prayer this consists of two psalms, or one psalm divided into two parts, and a scriptural canticle taken from the New Testament.
    • a short passage from scripture
    • a responsory, typically a verse of scripture, but sometimes liturgical poetry
    • a canticle taken from the Gospel of Luke: the Canticle of Zechariah (Benedictus) for morning prayer, and the Canticle of Mary (Magnificat) for evening prayer
    • intercessions, composed by the Church
    • the Lord's Prayer
    • the concluding prayer, composed by the Church
    • a blessing given by the priest or deacon leading Morning or Evening Prayer, or in the absence of clergy and in individual recitation, a short concluding versicle.

    Minor hours[edit]

    The daytime hours follow a simpler format, like a very compact form of the Office of Readings:

    • opening versicle
    • a hymn
    • three short psalms, or, three pieces of longer psalms; in the daytime hours when only one is said it follows a variable psalmody which usually opens with part of the longest psalm, psalm 118/119, when all three are said this psalmody is used at one of the hours, while the other two follow the complementary psalmody which consists of 119/120-121/122 at Terce, 122/123-124/125 at Sext and 125/126-127/128 at None
    • a very short passage of scripture, followed by a responsorial verse
    • the concluding prayer
    • a short concluding verse (V. Benedicamus Domino R. Deo gratias)

    Night prayer has the character of preparing the soul for its passage to eternal life:

    • opening versicle
    • an examination of conscience
    • a hymn
    • a psalm, or two short psalms; The psalms of Sunday - Psalm 90/91 or 4 & 133/134 - may always be used as an alternative to the psalm(s) appointed on weekdays
    • a short reading from scripture
    • the responsory In manus tuas, Domine (Into Your Hands, Lord)
    • the Canticle of Simeon, Nunc dimittis, from the Gospel of Luke, framed by the antiphon Salva nos (Save us Lord)
    • a concluding prayer
    • a short blessing (noctem quietam et finem perfectum concedat nobis dominus omnipotens. Amen.)
    • Marian antiphon without versicle and concluding prayer; either one of the four traditional seasonal antiphons, or Sub Tuum, or another antiphon approved by the local episcopal conference; the Regina Caeli is always used in Eastertide.



    That's NOT a schedule to be followed by the laity.
    A... where's the link? You trying to get the board in trouble for copyright infringement?

    B... multiple peole have posted multiple links showing the hours have been a tradition for the Catholic Church (the people, not the buildings) since the earliest times.

    Live with your failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    Liturgy of the Hours of Paul VI[edit]

    That's NOT a schedule to be followed by the laity.
    Yes, because you didn't post the canonical hours. What you cut out, just above that, CLEARLY states: Traditional Roman Breviary

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgy_of_the_Hours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius View Post
    B... multiple peole have posted multiple links showing the hours have been a tradition for the Catholic Church (the people, not the buildings) since the earliest times.
    I just posted a link that shows all of them. Were you going to make a point or thank me for posting the hours also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    I just posted a link that shows all of them. Were you going to make a point or thank me for posting the hours also?
    Not all of them for the laity - in fact - yours had NOTHING to do with the laity, which is in the category just above what you posted.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    laughing hilariously at Missileman's recent PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius View Post
    laughing hilariously at Missileman's recent PM
    Please don't bring up private things on the board. You are free to reply to him, or report it to staff if it were a rules violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Please don't bring up private things on the board. You are free to reply to him, or report it to staff if it were a rules violation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    I just posted a link that shows all of them. Were you going to make a point or thank me for posting the hours also?
    from Jim's link...

    Liturgy of the Hours

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    This article refers to the Liturgy of the Hours as a specific manifestation of the public prayer of the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church. For its application in other liturgical rites of the Catholic Church and in other communions, see canonical hours.
    Liturgy of the Hours... PUBLIC PRAYER... public being laity.


    It's understandable that an atheist such as yourself would easily confuse themselves when trying to prove they know more about Catholocism than those who actually believe and practice it. Considering the well known mental deficiencies that trouble many atheists, I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Yes, because you didn't post the canonical hours. What you cut out, just above that, CLEARLY states: Traditional Roman Breviary

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgy_of_the_Hours
    I pasted the Liturgy of the Hours and according to this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_hours

    The current official version of the hours in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church is called the Liturgy of the Hours (Latin: Liturgia horarum) in North America or Divine Office in the British Isles.
    what I posted was is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Not all of them for the laity - in fact - yours had NOTHING to do with the laity, which is in the category just above what you posted.
    If I missed in those links which parts of the Liturgy are for the laity, please point to it...I'm not seeing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    I pasted the Liturgy of the Hours and according to this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_hours

    The current official version of the hours in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church is called the Liturgy of the Hours (Latin: Liturgia horarum) in North America or Divine Office in the British Isles.
    what I posted was is correct.
    Which proves only it's the current official version. It does not prove it is not a long standing tradition.


    dumb ass.

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    Yet another DP thread turned into a garbage dump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    If I missed in those links which parts of the Liturgy are for the laity, please point to it...I'm not seeing it.
    Nothing anyone posts is going to matter. It's been posted like 20x now. It's right there that it's canonical hours and applies to the laity. The I'll add in further, from your link about canonical hours, of what current practice is:

    The Liturgy of the Hours (Latin: Liturgia Horarum) or Divine Office (Latin: Officium Divinum) or canonical hours, often referred to as the Breviary, is the official set of daily prayers prescribed by the Catholic Church to be recited by clergy, religious institutes, and laity.

    Current practice

    Priests are required by canon law to pray the entire Divine Office each day while permanent deacons are required to pray the morning and evening hours. All clerics are free to use the Liturgy of the Hours or the traditional Roman Breviary, according to the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, to fulfill this obligation. The practice among religious communities varies according to their rules and constitutions. The Second Vatican Council also exhorted the Christian laity to take up the practice, and as a result, many lay people have begun reciting portions of the Liturgy of the Hours.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius View Post
    Which proves only it's the current official version. It does not prove it is not a long standing tradition.


    dumb ass.
    Read down on his own link to the "Current Practice" part. It calls for the laity to follow, and has it for the morning, midday and mid-afternoon.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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