Last edited by fj1200; 09-10-2013 at 09:31 AM.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
And I would have had the question came from you or any other member here besides him but he spent days evading my relevant questions with the flimsy excuse--not relevant to the subject. He needs to learn what's good for the goose is good for the gander amigo.. After three or four days of having questions dismissed as moronic and not relevant I decided to do the same to him and he went off about that. Some people you just can't please.Now back on topic. Do you think Obama has engaged in no impeachable offense? -Tyr
18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Yes, I ignored your idiotic questions in the CAGE. The CAGE has nothing to do with debate up here. You are simply making excuses.
Clearly most of the people that have been responding to you have suggested there is nothing Obama has done that he could or would be impeached for. Which is why it was asked what (specifically) you think he has done that would be serious enough to start an impeachment process and get all the legislators to agree and impeach him. Without a response that gives examples and solid proof, there is no point in further discussion on the topic. As others have said/suggested, it's just crying and screaming like a partisan with nothing to back it.Now back on topic. Do you think Obama has engaged in no impeachable offense? -Tyr
Last edited by fj1200; 09-10-2013 at 09:55 AM.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
Last edited by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot; 09-10-2013 at 10:12 AM.
18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Last edited by fj1200; 09-10-2013 at 10:13 AM.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
I disagree with the premise that the Congress won't address impeachment because 'it doesn't care about itself anymore.' While that clause may be very correct, I don't think it has anything to do with impeachment. It has to do with evading responsibility and staying in office.
Presidents have most always done things that many citizens and legislators seriously disagree with. Often it causes them to be one term presidents. That's how the system works.
Impeachment is for very serious issues, crimes or no crimes. Nixon qualified, Johnson's and Clinton's actions did not. The first was caught in partisan Congressional machinations, the later's crimes did not rise to be serious enough for removal from office. They could have censured him without the brouhaha.
"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
Any actions are impeachable, if the House decides to bring the Articles and enough vote to bring him/her to Senate for trial.
As the Clinton impeachment proved, even 'crimes' won't necessarily result in removal from office. That's just a fact.
The 'high crimes and misdemeanors' like most things in the Constitution, i.e., see definition of 'treason,' were written to stand time. They did not want a Parliamentary system.
"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
Not sure where we disagree there. Suborning perjury? A crime and worthy of conviction IMO. That won't necessarily result in removal? Clearly, but the motive of the jurors is also my opinion. And removal of the POTUS doesn't change the results of an election as far as the party in power is concerned; we have plenty of other "non-parliamentary" features in place.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
When it comes to the framework of government, I guess I like to keep the basics in place. They new parties would arise though hated them. Since Washington left NY, they've been with us, along with partisanship. Sometimes worse than now, more often less so.
Removal from office should only, IMO, be if the executive is a danger to the people or the country's well being. Nixon's crimes rose to that, Clinton's did not. He was a pig, a liar, but his 'wrongs' left him a legacy. His removal from office would have harmed the country more.
"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
Kathianne. There is only one action I am sure of concerning Obama. And watch how many begin asking for proof. And that action is. Obama HAS violated his Oath of Office.
Which reads: "The Oath of Office: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
He is not defending the Constitution when he pretends it doesn't apply to him.
Last edited by aboutime; 09-10-2013 at 01:39 PM.
I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
So, this is for them.
GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !
"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill