weed

[fj1200]

^You should just stop trying to justify your toking desires right now ya' libbie pothead.

[revelarts]

^You should just stop trying to justify your toking desires right now ya' libbie pothead.

is that the smoking POT calling the Kettle Black?

Plus you'd have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to get high off of Hemp.

[Arbo]

Plus you'd have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to get high off of Hemp.

Sounds like a Cheech and Chong movie

[revelarts]

Chech and Chong

How about Washington and Jefferson,
those liberal hippies -faux- libertarian, constitutionalists both Grew and sold acres of Hemp.
But there's no solid evidence that they ever SMOKED it themselves.
just goes to show you how BRILLIANT they were huh. had everyone fooled...


http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...and-marijuana/

[WiccanLiberal]

Blanket statements for or against marijuana are somewhat silly in my humble opinion. What I believe is that the substance has to be subjected to further legitimate study. More information on the positive and negative effects would be useful. I have recently heard a lot of anecdotal commentary about THC and the effects on specific diseases, not just symptomatic, but curative. I believe researchers need to have the freedom to adequately and scientifically test these claims.

[Arbo]

Blanket statements for or against marijuana are somewhat silly in my humble opinion. What I believe is that the substance has to be subjected to further legitimate study. More information on the positive and negative effects would be useful. I have recently heard a lot of anecdotal commentary about THC and the effects on specific diseases, not just symptomatic, but curative. I believe researchers need to have the freedom to adequately and scientifically test these claims.

Further legitimate study? WTF for? It merely needs to be made legal so we quit wasting so much money on a bogus 'war on drugs' and quit locking up non violent offenders because they had some weed on them.

[WiccanLiberal]

I repeat. Legitimate study. I see no merit in legalizing general use when we have little scientific information on effects. Decriminalizing the possession of personal use amounts makes sense. But I am of the mindset that more and more accurate information is to the benefit of everyone.

[Arbo]

I see no merit in legalizing general use when we have little scientific information on effects. Decriminalizing the possession of personal use amounts makes sense.

It seems these two sentences are in disagreement with each other.

I don't give a rats ass what the effects are, nor do I think they need more 'study'. We are a nation based on individual liberty, and as such, pot should be legal. Period.

[revelarts]

I repeat. Legitimate study. I see no merit in legalizing general use when we have little scientific information on effects. Decriminalizing the possession of personal use amounts makes sense. But I am of the mindset that more and more accurate information is to the benefit of everyone.

I get your concern. I've read that MJ might exacerbate schizophrenia. it's not quite known for sure yet i don't think.
and with any drugs or foods testing is great. but Since Billions of people have used it over the years legaly and ilegally i think it's been "tested" quite a bit and generally proven safe. Safer than alcohol and many other legal pharmaceuticals that have been tested FAR less. Some of those have been proven dangerous years after approval.

making it legal for personal use IMO has more benefits than potential risk for society overall.
There's no perfect world, so it seems in this case especially the pragmatic move is legalization.
And if the history i've read is correct the powers that were and be want hemp and MJ off the table for.... LESS THAN noble reasons anyway.

[fj1200]

is that the smoking POT calling the Kettle Black?

Plus you'd have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to get high off of Hemp.

Don't be such a downer dude. :munch:

Decriminalizing the possession of personal use amounts makes sense.

... pot should be legal. Period.

I'm more on the decriminalize end right now than legalize but I admit I don't know the practical difference at this point.

[KitchenKitten99]

It is the people and their genetics, not pot. They could start by sniffing glue or any number of other things, it doesn't matter. A 'gateway' drug would be one that causes addition in and of itself. Pot is not such a drug.

It's your lie, so you can tell it how you want, especially if you need to still convince yourself.

[Arbo]

It's your lie, so you can tell it how you want, especially if you need to still convince yourself.

That's all you have in response? Call it a lie? Pretty f'n lame there lady. No, it's reality.

[KitchenKitten99]

I know quite a few from both sides. I have and have had a ton of friends who were able to smoke weed like it was beer, then put it down for a few years, then have fun for a night, then not again for months. In other words, they enjoyed it when they had an opportunity, but honestly couldn't care less if it was never smoked again. Smokers of opportunity!

Then you have people like myself, who are creatures of routine and have addictive personalities. I can get addicted to vegetables!! I can speak the benefits of marijuana, and how it's barely harmful to most - but for ME, it IS something that would be, and was, problematic. If you take another person like me, the odds of them becoming addicted to weed is high (no pun intended). But similar for even alcohol, and cigarettes. But yes, if someone has an addictive personality, they can become dependent on weed like another could on cigarettes or even bubble gum.

On the flip side, I still lean towards legalization, being that it's no more harmful than things like cigarettes or alcohol. I think people should still have the freedom to choose. My only desire would be for there to be a sure fire way to make sure people aren't driving while stoned, no differently than people shouldn't drive while drunk. On that one, we have a breathalyzer. I don't like the idea of police arresting as many as they can simply claiming they look stoned, I would like for there to be a developed way to prove they are actually high, like the breathalyzer.

It's a tough discussion and both sides have always made good points on the marijuana debate. But the trillions spent on criminalization over the years hasn't been effective in the slightest. Better off getting involved, learn more, educate people, make a better product, tax it & make money off of it.

I agree with you 100%. I know both kinds of people as well. I believe pot gives those with addictive personalities to those kinds of things, their first feeling of what it is like to be high. Same with beer/alcohol. Most kids will try beer at some point in their childhood. Most do just because they think it makes them cool, not because they actually like the taste. Because their tolerance is 0, they get a buzz pretty easy. It is that feeling they get addicted to, not the beer itself. There is that same risk of being addicted to the effects, not the substance itself. I think pot is just as easy to get as beer. The difference is that one is legal and one is not.

And one thing no one has yet brought up is what are the carcinogenic dangers of smoking pot? Somehow tobacco is demonized (as a whole, not just one or two products), yet pot-smoking still burns plants and you still inhale (well, most do) the smoke into your lungs and is treated like it is the miracle-plant to smoke. The anti-tobacco community has trouble actually segregating the types of tobacco products that are more harmful, such as chemical-laden cigarettes vs 100% pure, chemical-free tobacco products such as fine cigars (not counting the gas-station crap-Backwoods, Swishers, White Owls- that try to pass themselves off as cigars) and pipe tobacco (which are tasted, not inhaled).

[revelarts]

Research shows marijuana can be effectively used to treat multiple sclerosis

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042498_ma...#ixzz2htGDP6Gu

http://www.naturalnews.com/042498_ma...treatment.html

(NaturalNews) Israeli researchers have once again confirmed the healing potential of marijuana (cannabis), a natural, medicinal plant loaded with dozens of disease-fighting cannabinoids and other beneficial compounds. A recent announcement by American Friends of Tel Aviv University (AFTAU) explains the findings of a new study published in the Journal of Neuroimmune Pharmacology (JNP), which demonstrates the ability of marijuana to fight multiple sclerosis (MS) without triggering harmful side effects.

An inflammatory disease in which the immune system attacks the central nervous system, MS is a debilitating condition that in more extreme cases can lead to numbness of limbs, loss of vision and even paralysis. Some 2.5 million people worldwide are believed to be suffering from the condition, which has no known or admitted cause, and conventional medicine has thus far been unable to come up with an effective remedy or cure.

But Drs. Ewa Kozela, Ana Juknat, Neta Rimmerman and Zvi Vogel from Tel Aviv University's (TAU) Dr. Miriam and Sheldon G. Adelson Center for the Biology of Addictive Diseases and Sackler Faculty of Medicine may have uncovered a potential natural cure for MS: marijuana. Since marijuana contains natural anti-inflammatory compounds that support the body's built-in endocannabinoid system, it is a powerful tool in the fight against a whole host of chronic diseases, including MS.

According to an announcement issued by AFTAU, Dr. Vogel, who helped author the new study, was among the first to identify marijuana cannabinoids, for which there are some 70 different varieties. Among these cannabinoids is cannabidiol, or CBD, which is said to be the most plentiful and potent cannabinoid in marijuana. Cannabinoids in general have been extensively researched by independent scientists in recent years, because they offer incredible medicinal benefits without the "high" produced by tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC.

But in this case, Dr. Vogel and his team demonstrated that both CBD and THC are capable of effectively reprogramming damaged immune cells so that they do not attack the brain and spinal cord. After extracting immune cells from mice paralyzed with MS, the team administered CBD or THC, both of which were observed to restrain these immune cells from further producing the inflammatory molecules responsible for causing MS.

"The researchers took immune cells isolated from paralyzed mice that specifically target and harm the brain and spinal cord, and treated them with either CBD or THC," explains AFTAU. "They concluded that the presence of CBD or THC restrains the immune cells from triggering the production of inflammatory molecules and limits the molecules' ability to reach and damage the brain and spinal cord."

Marijuana CBD compounds normalize human physiology, reverse and cure disease

This substantiates earlier research conducted by Dr. Vogel back in 2011, which found that CBD specifically can help prevent immune cells from attacking the myelin sheaths, or the protective covers, of nerve cells. Researchers at the time injected CBD directly into the paralyzed mice, which were observed to quickly regain healthy movement. These same mice eventually learned how to walk again without a limp.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042498_ma...#ixzz2htFnEQir

[revelarts]

wrong post...