Cold Case: JFK

[fj1200]

Cold Case JFK
The 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy is re-investigated using modern technology and contemporary scientific techniques. Included: ballistics experts reconstruct the shooting in a test of the "single bullet theory."

I don't have a good link but watched Cold Case: JFK on NOVA tonight. Forensically speaking the single-bullet theory holds up and debunks the possibility of a grassy knoll shooter. It mostly backs up the Warren Commission and criticizes the conclusions of the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Very interesting was the complete bungling of the autopsy and the indepth discussion of the Carcano rifle and bullet.

[revelarts]

Single Bullet theory is BS.

the Bullet found on the stretcher in parkland hospital was Pristine. But the Dr.s and Nurses at the Hospital say they pulled bullet fragments from Connely Wrist and the rest of it from his thigh. couldn't have been on the stretcher.

and the Audio recording from the police radio definitively shows more shots that alleged by Warren.

And you've got 50+ witnesses that say shots were fired from the knoll.

And you've got most of the people who have tried to reproduce the shot LOH was suppose to have fired saying they could not do it. for multiple reason starting with the crappy rifle with slow bolt action. But somehow LOH did it nonchalantly. since he was seen in a lower floor lunch room before and after the the murder.

And you have the later House Select Committee on Assassination, congressional investigation concluding there was a more people involved.

to name a few Items...

oldy but goody


well done modern summery
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[revelarts]

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[fj1200]

Single Bullet theory is BS.

the Bullet found on the stretcher in parkland hospital was Pristine. But the Dr.s and Nurses at the Hospital say they pulled bullet fragments from Connely Wrist and the rest of it from his thigh. couldn't have been on the stretcher.

and the Audio recording from the police radio definitively shows more shots that alleged by Warren.

And you've got 50+ witnesses that say shots were fired from the knoll.

And you've got most of the people who have tried to reproduce the shot LOH was suppose to have fired saying they could not do it. for multiple reason starting with the crappy rifle with slow bolt action. But somehow LOH did it nonchalantly. since he was seen in a lower floor lunch room before and after the the murder.

And you have the later House Select Committee on Assassination, congressional investigation concluding there was a more people involved.

Ballistics test show that the bullet could go through 3 ft of wood and look pristine, it also showed that after going through flesh (ballistics gel) that it comes out in a yaw which corresponds to the entry would on Connely. The bullet also wasn't "pristine," it was squashed to some extent which would explain bullet fragments found in the wounds.

The audio was far from definitive and three shots echoing around Dealey Plaza would mislead one to think that they heard more shots let alone where they came from; there were plenty of witnesses who had no idea where they might have heard shots from. The forensics evidence from reviewing as much of the original information as possible, x-rays, clothes, autopsy photos, etc. doesn't support the kill shot coming from the front anyway.

The House Select committee was fairly well wrong, misreading the evidence will lead to false conclusions.

[revelarts]

Ballistics test show that the bullet could go through 3 ft of wood and look pristine, it also showed that after going through flesh (ballistics gel) that it comes out in a yaw which corresponds to the entry would on Connely. The bullet also wasn't "pristine," it was squashed to some extent which would explain bullet fragments found in the wounds.

The audio was far from definitive and three shots echoing around Dealey Plaza would mislead one to think that they heard more shots let alone where they came from; there were plenty of witnesses who had no idea where they might have heard shots from. The forensics evidence from reviewing as much of the original information as possible, x-rays, clothes, autopsy photos, etc. doesn't support the kill shot coming from the front anyway.

The House Select committee was fairly well wrong, misreading the evidence will lead to false conclusions.

the bullet fragments added up to more than the the extremely small defects of the the bullet.
And again the Bullet was still in Conely's thigh when it was supposedly found on the stretcher.
so that bullet could NOT be the real bullet.

the audio was rigorously reviewed by experts that of course took into account echos that's basic, and the echos were counted and ruled out, for the extra shots.

Do you really want to go into the problems with the x-rays and autopsy photos? it's horrific what was done and redone lost and changed there.

the House select Committee was fairly well right. the Warren commission was a cover up.

[fj1200]

the bullet fragments added up to more than the the extremely small defects of the the bullet.
And again the Bullet was still in Conely's thigh when it was supposedly found on the stretcher.
so that bullet could NOT be the real bullet.

the audio was rigorously reviewed by experts that of course took into account echos that's basic, and the echos were counted and ruled out, for the extra shots.

Do you really want to go into the problems with the x-rays and autopsy photos? it's horrific what was done and redone lost and changed there.

the House select Committee was fairly well right. the Warren commission was a cover up.

I don't recall what they said about the bullet in the stretcher and bullets apparently will generate two sound waves, one for the supersonic bullet and one for the muzzle blast.

I already stated that there were plenty of problems but modern forensics can make up much for much of what was done wrong 50 years ago. And no, I don't really want to watch any videos about x-rays and photos. I fully grant you that you can find alternative conclusions to anything that you want.

[revelarts]

I don't recall what they said about the bullet in the stretcher and bullets apparently will generate two sound waves, one for the supersonic bullet and one for the muzzle blast.

I already stated that there were plenty of problems but modern forensics can make up much for much of what was done wrong 50 years ago. And no, I don't really want to watch any videos about x-rays and photos. I fully grant you that you can find alternative conclusions to anything that you want.

Sure i could find alternative versions of plenty stories if i just want to find stories. but what we're talking about are here are things that have real forensic weight one way or the others.

and as i often say let look at all of the evidence. not just what favors one side or the others.
To me the more i looked at the JFK killing the more obvious it becomes that the commission covered up lots of contrary evidence. you and other may say they were doing it "for the good of the country" but to me once someone lies to me i want to know what else was a lie.
and the deeper you dig the smeller it gets.

so it's fine to wipe our hands and say the gov't report tells the basic story and not poke around at the loose ends and bend over backwards to believe everything that is at the bleeding edge of physical creditability and gloss over fudged docs, film, and other evidence added to altered and ignored testimonies just because ..well the warren story basically hold up.

But it bugs me. so I toss out the few monkey wrench I'm aware of into the conversation.
you should take a look at some of the vids i posted. interesting to say the least.

[Arbo]

I'm not much for conspiracy stuff, I prefer occams razor and the reality that most conspiracies would need to involve far too many people to ever truly hide anything. Perhaps the official story was wrong, but at this point, decades later, does it matter?

[revelarts]

I'm not much for conspiracy stuff, I prefer occams razor and the reality that most conspiracies would need to involve far too many people to ever truly hide anything. Perhaps the official story was wrong, but at this point, decades later, does it matter?

Occam's Razor
It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

sure, OK we want to get there finally but,
try this , you walk into a room there's a 7 year old boy on the floor with a half eaten cookie in his hand and a ripped box of half finished chocolate chip and nuts in front of him on the table.
the simple explanation is obvious.
the kid ate the cookies. "Cold Case"" case Closed" no need for further investigation. no more details..

but the kid say it wasn't him, he just got there too.

the older brother comes downstairs an says the kid just got out of the toilet, evidenced by the smell and he just heard the flush.
the older sister comes in from outside of and ask why the dog is puking chocolate and nuts all over the porch.

Do we lean to Occam's razor or allow the more complex evidence take us where it leads. and use the razor going forward based on all the evidence?

I like to rely on the preponderance of the evidence to come to conclusions.

as far as people being able to hide anything, How could we every come to a reasonable conclusion of what various groups are able to hide? If they hide it we don't know it. if they don't we do.
it's not a question i try answer 1st as to waht might have happened. assuming the answer to that precludes even looking any where but but where told.
but hey that's good enough "evidence" for some people. the General incredulity of such a thing. it Could never happen here tut tut.

Why is it important?
1. it removes the blinders of incredulity from the general public to the idea that some in our gov't are capable of murdering elected officials to get their way and cover it up.
1b. showing the corruption of the system.
2. no statute of limitations on murder.
3. might shed light on parts of gov't that needs to be shut down.
4. open the door to related and similar investigations.
that's 4 off the top of my head

[Arbo]

as far as people being able to hide anything, How could we every come to a reasonable conclusion of what various groups are able to hide? If they hide it we don't know it. if they don't we do.

The problem is the larger the group needed to hide or coverup, the less likely they can pull it off. There will always be someone that either has a conscious or see's the potential fame/wealth that could come from outing a massive coverup. Mix that together with the reality that most people in government aren't smart enough to pull off the lies, and the odds of a grand conspiracy drop off dramatically.

1. it removes the blinders of incredulity from the general public to the idea that some in our gov't are capable of murdering elected officials to get their way and cover it up.
1b. showing the corruption of the system.

I'm pretty sure most people already understand there is massive corruption and believes those in government capable of #1.

[revelarts]

The problem is the larger the group needed to hide or coverup, the less likely they can pull it off. There will always be someone that either has a conscious or see's the potential fame/wealth that could come from outing a massive coverup. Mix that together with the reality that most people in government aren't smart enough to pull off the lies, and the odds of a grand conspiracy drop off dramatically.

often people who say things like that dismiss all of the dead wittiness and dead insiders in JFK case.
there's a dead navy photogrpher, dead mafia people and many others.
Some of those that haven't been kill some say they've been threatened ,others have loss their jobs and or been smeared -looking for fame and fortune- that comes with exposing secret assassins.

Somehow those people don't count. Just coincidence tut tut. Others that may know more see those people and the fame and fortune doesn't look as good as you paint it.

As far a smart enough. sure there's plenty of dummies and in gov't that can't do decent work. but there are jobs that get done. the military has caldestinally killed people, so has the cia and often in secret. so has the Mob. You don't need everyone on gov't in on it or a whole dept or a brigade just few well place people.

what u seem to be doing is brushing the whole idea aside based on some broad assumptions,
"somebody would have talked" well a lot of people have talked but some people don't believe them.
"people in gov't are to dum to kill people" well ok but really but isn't killing people one of the thing the U.S. gov't is best at.

[gabosaurus]

The JFK assassination will always be the most active conspiracy theory hotbed in the U.S. I took my daughter out to get some books last Sunday and there was an entire display shelf devoted to books about JFK and his demise.
I am still divided between the CIA, organized crime or Castro as the culprits.

[jimnyc]

I think Oswald killed JFK.

[gabosaurus]

I think Oswald killed JFK.

Too easy. Show some imagination!

Top 5 alleged culprits:

Lyndon Johnson
Castro
Organized crime
Poppy Bush
Space aliens

[Arbo]

I think Oswald killed JFK.

Nah, it was Bush.