It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
and in case anyone is not aware...
Dresden was a Night Target of the RAF. They caused the Firestorms.
USAAF Bombed during DAYLIGHT HOURS.
RAF/RCAAF units bombed at NIGHT.
Russians did not participate in Strategic bombing and needed USAAF/RAF Units to bomb for them where they attacked.
Soviet Air Forces were Ground Attack (IL-2 Sturmavick) and smaller Bombers like thePetlyakov PE-2
IL-2 Sturmavick (TOP), Petlyakov PE-2 (Bottom)
You know, the last time I was in Germany and saw a man standing above everybody else, we ended up disagreeing.
Captain America
The so-called Palestinians, under the control of Hamas...have NO DESIRE for Peace...at any Cost.
Their combined, sole intention is to KILL Israel's Men, Women, and Children..and any visitors who help the Jewish nation survive.
Everyone around the world knows what the TRUTH is. But we will always have the DENIAL bunch like jafar...who most prolong, and proliferate their hatred AT ANY COST.
I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
So, this is for them.
GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !
Jafar needs to finally decide whether he is pro or anti terrorist, and stick to one position or the other, with total consistency.
Support for Hamas, and for the actions Hamas takes, IF this continues, is a position utterly incompatible with being 'anti' terrorist.
We surely all know that.
It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
Indeed it was, but the rail yard (nor the airstrip, itself a legit target) were initially targets. The war was all but over. the Dresden campaign was conspicuously just two days after the yalta conference where the allies met to discuss postwar occupation by constituent allies. The Russians were closing in rapidly, and tens of thousands of civilian refugees were fleeing the cruelties of the red army whose land frces greatly outnumbered the west. What the western allies did have was superior airpower and the Dresden campaign assuredly demonstrated this to Stalin and Dresden would fall under western control. A rather cruel way to stake a claim, but so is bulldozing a Palestine neighborhood (in occupied territory, against international law) because they don't have the requisite permits.
While the pretexts are different, Israel certainly possesses legitimate targets as well and the ethical implication of indiscriminant attacks against a foe is subject to the same scrutiny IMO. But more often is the case that those with the greater power decide not just the rules but who violated them. Naturally, the more powerful are almost always deemed justified--that's the reality, though hardly is this the truth.
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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.AeschylusRead more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...zeMUwcpY1Io.99
Are you advocating the factories , rail yards and military targets there were dormant or that Germany had surrendered ? Because if you are not advocating either of those two then you must be calling for a kinder gentler war while speculating that those bombings did not save American soldiers 's lives. Clarify if you please. -TyrIndeed it was, but the rail yard (nor the airstrip, itself a legit target) were initially targets. The war was all but over. the Dresden campaign was conspicuously just two days after the yalta conference where the allies met to discuss postwar occupation by constituent allies.
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18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
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lol. Advocating? I'm talking about the facts--the German army, Luftwaffe and war machine was a skeleton and well on their heels. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for ruthless and devastating attacks against a sworn enemy to bring about their capitulation but I don't put on pretenses of it being any more righteous than when an enemy does.
Speculation? The estimates on the number of lives saved by those bombings is speculation; whereas the tens of thousands of civilians killed in the operation is FACT. At that point the majority of Germany's defenses were positioned to the northeast against Russia; indeed allied losses in the Dresden campaign were less than 1%, and only after complete success in their first run did they even target areas of military significance like railyards-- thus the scorched earth policy was the primary intent and, given the timing after Yalta, it was more a function of political rather than military necessity. Again though, I am not seeking to demonize these actions; its an act of war, and war is a terrible thing-- I just don't think it any more morally egregious when another does it either.
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اشهد ان لا اله الا الله و اشهد ان محمدا رسول الله