Nevada....surprised this has not been posted yet.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You should try critically thinking about what those whom you support say. I'll save my support for those who can eloquently express a viewpoint rather than those who knee jerk their way around an issue they know little about.

Eloquence is often a mark of a scoundrel or con artist. Smooth talkers very often use that ability to deceive. Most con artists are smooth talkers and eloquent when they want to be .
Eloquent talking is highly over rated. While substance and truth is very greatly under appreciated. That is the sad reality of the world we live in. Truth is now as hated as lies should be but are now not!!
I'll take truth and honesty over eloquence any day!!
Then again I am nobody's damn fool!!! ----------------Tyr

[aboutime]

Eloquence is often a mark of a scoundrel or con artist. Smooth talkers very often use that ability to deceive. Most con artists are smooth talkers and eloquent when they want to be .
Eloquent talking is highly over rated. While substance and truth is very greatly under appreciated. That is the sad reality of the world we live in. Truth is now as hated as lies should be but are now not!!
I'll take truth and honesty over eloquence any day!!
Then again I am nobody's damn fool!!! ----------------Tyr

Tyr. Agreed. That eloquence (just an act) from Obama, is what the less educated, and easily-led admired in him, and everyone who works for him. His beloved followers are amazed, and in wonderment when Obama, Jesse Jackson, and Holder use words...most of them have never heard before, nor can they use those ELOQUENT words in any sentence...they understand.

Just AX them!

[fj1200]

Eloquence is often a mark of a scoundrel or con artist. Smooth talkers very often use that ability to deceive. Most con artists are smooth talkers and eloquent when they want to be .
Eloquent talking is highly over rated. While substance and truth is very greatly under appreciated. That is the sad reality of the world we live in. Truth is now as hated as lies should be but are now not!!
I'll take truth and honesty over eloquence any day!!
Then again I am nobody's damn fool!!! ----------------Tyr

Eloquence is knowing the subject matter and succeeding in not being an idiot. Bundy failed at both.

[namvet]

Eloquence is knowing the subject matter and succeeding in not being an idiot. Bundy failed at both.

how many Rancher's do you know that are Eloquent ??

[aboutime]

how many Rancher's do you know that are Eloquent ??

FJ only knows ONE. Himself. An Eloquent Idiot!

[NightTrain]

Why does the right need to elevate these people or why don't they know when to not say anything?

I don't know.

This baffles me, it's like he's deliberately sabotaged himself. He has to know better at his age - he had plenty on his plate without wading into this arena.

[NightTrain]

So how much of what Bundy was saying is true? Are blacks better off now than they were in the 50's?? In my judgment they are not. I know the racist angle is all the media and Obama bots/sycophants will play out of this but Bundy had a point no matter how poorly he explained it.
Sure Hannity dropped him and political supporters did to but the militia shouldn't drop. Some will but the point of government over reach, high handed tactics to bully the man are still there.

Is it now ok to deny a man his fundamental rights as a citizen because he may be a racist??
He expressed no hatred for blacks just stated he wondered how much better off they are now while under the current government enslavement of (dem designed )freebie programs. . Hell, I wonder that much myself and do not give a damn who doesn't like me saying so..--Tyr

My point was, this little video did nothing to help and everything to hurt his cause.

Whether or not anyone thinks he was correct in his statements is irrelevant.

He had a slim chance of winning before he pulled this stunt, and now he has none because no relevant politician will touch him with a 10 foot pole or be vilified as a racist - which doesn't fly in this day and age to the voting public. Do you think Rand Paul will continue to support him now? Not a chance in hell.

The media is lurking right now, trying to find anyone stupid enough to support Bundy and will gleefully ruin that person all because of this stupid video.

Bundy ruined his chances at winning this and he has no one to blame but himself for his poor judgement.

[NightTrain]

how many Rancher's do you know that are Eloquent ??

Good point, but none that I've ever known would have willingly shot themselves in the foot for no reason.


This is disappointing, I was really hoping this would be the catalyst to begin a movement to reduce Fed land ownership and in general, federal government.

It was a slim chance, admittedly, but a chance nevertheless.

[namvet]

My point was, this little video did nothing to help and everything to hurt his cause.

Whether or not anyone thinks he was correct in his statements is irrelevant.

He had a slim chance of winning before he pulled this stunt, and now he has none because no relevant politician will touch him with a 10 foot pole or be vilified as a racist - which doesn't fly in this day and age to the voting public. Do you think Rand Paul will continue to support him now? Not a chance in hell.

The media is lurking right now, trying to find anyone stupid enough to support Bundy and will gleefully ruin that person all because of this stupid video.

Bundy ruined his chances at winning this and he has no one to blame but himself for his poor judgement.

this little vid was edited by the NY slime. he's free and clear of it.

[bullypulpit]

1. Ain't no one throwing him off "his" land.
2.The land he's "fighting" for is federal land...you know, owned by all of us.
3. Bundy's in arrears for more than $300,000 in grazing fees. Fees that are about 8 times less than what he'd be paying on private land.
4. The land was established as environmentally sensitive 21 years ago.
5. twenty years of court fights have netted him not a single win.
6. He's never paid the $300,00 federal judgement against him.
7. in 1998, he was issued an order to remove his cattle
8. A few months ago, Bundy was ordered to remove his cattle or have them confiscated. He chose not to do so.

Bundy is no "hero". He's little more than a seditious liar who, apparently, has never recognized the federal government...even before a black man was elected POTUS. He is, in short, the antithesis of a patriot.

Here's a link to everything you need to know about Bundy's "battle".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...al-government/

[bullypulpit]

Eloquence is often a mark of a scoundrel or con artist. Smooth talkers very often use that ability to deceive. Most con artists are smooth talkers and eloquent when they want to be .
Eloquent talking is highly over rated. While substance and truth is very greatly under appreciated. That is the sad reality of the world we live in. Truth is now as hated as lies should be but are now not!!
I'll take truth and honesty over eloquence any day!!
Then again I am nobody's damn fool!!! ----------------Tyr

So the eloquence of the Founding Fathers as expressed in the Declaration of Independence was "over rated" bafflegab? Truth an honesty are most often simply, and eloquently, stated.

[NightTrain]

The very fact that Bully is against Bundy refreshes my faith in St. Cliven.

I knew I was missing something.

Go Bundy!!

[namvet]

luv this photo. Americans stand fast against an illegal regime that needs to be destroyed by force

Bundy offered to pay the back tax's to NV. NOT to the terrorists in DC. provide some of the tx money is used to reinforce border patrol. nobody can prove to me he's a racist. just another god damned fuckin' ruse by the retarded left MSM. that' my story and im stickin to it !!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So the eloquence of the Founding Fathers as expressed in the Declaration of Independence was "over rated" bafflegab? Truth an honesty are most often simply, and eloquently, stated.

Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post

1. Eloquence is often a mark of a scoundrel or con artist. 2.Smooth talkers very often use that ability to deceive. 3.Most con artists are smooth talkers and eloquent when they want to be .
4.Eloquent talking is highly over rated. 5.While substance and truth is very greatly under appreciated. 6.That is the sad reality of the world we live in. 7.Truth is now as hated as lies should be but are now not!!
8. I'll take truth and honesty over eloquence any day!!
9. Then again I am nobody's damn fool!!! ----------------Tyr

Context being so very important I numbered my words so you could get a better grasp of its summation.
For clearly your straw man comparison tossed at me in regards to my supposed disregard of the Constitution and its eloquence is just that an entirely made up concoction !!
For had I been asked I'd gladly admitted the combination of truth and eloquence which that documents represents. However my comment did not discuss directly and specifically our Constitution and its greatness. Did it??

As far as which rates higher truth or eloquence my judgment shall always be that TRUTH is for eloquent words that are lies are only admired foolishly and adored by the ignorant, gullible and evil minded that infest the world.

Furthermore , 8 and 9 were my summation of my previous words in that comment.
Care to address those without erecting a straw man have it pedro. Be careful , number 9 is the damn truth about me. I fight using only one weapon, the best, == truth. -Tyr

[namvet]

constitution ?? founding fathers?? that was systematically eliminated years ago. IMO by 2016 there won't be any country left to govern