Taliban trade U.S. Soldier for 5 in Gitmo

[fj1200]

I'm unaware of this being true. Can you name these 'more than 5 higher up Nazis' you are apparently referring to ?

Even IF this is accurate (I certainly do NOT excuse it, if it is !) I fail to see the connection (or the need of one). Gitmo releases have nothing to do with British releases of detainees involved in World War II.

Seriously, are you even British?

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/tran...ranscript/950/

And I already detailed the connection.

[aboutime]

I'm unaware of this being true. Can you name these 'more than 5 higher up Nazis' you are apparently referring to ?

Even IF this is accurate (I certainly do NOT excuse it, if it is !) I fail to see the connection (or the need of one). Gitmo releases have nothing to do with British releases of detainees involved in World War II.

Sir Drummond. 'fj' is simply back to his old, excuses ways again. Like most of our Obama-like Liberal types..Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi. 'fj' must always come up with something to change the subject, or context. fj sounds so much like a combination of OBAMA, and jafar. The THREE STOOGES couldn't beat any of them with more lies.

[jafar00]

Most of the skills he taught us we already knew,' he said. 'Some of my comrades think he's pretending to be a Muslim to save himself so they wouldn't behead him.'

Notable comment from the article.

[Jeff]

I think there is a difference between being organized and being recognized, and they're no longer "organized" because we've essentially obliterated them. And of course their actions are what define their status. They should just transfer them to the Afghans and let them deal with their actions.

Of course I don't find it hard to believe what you've heard, they not smart.

Now we know why Obama made the deal, he is helping them rebuild, 5 at a time I threw up the smiley face ( letting all know it was a joke ) but dang I hope that statement is nothing more than a bad joke.

[aboutime]

Now we know why Obama made the deal, he is helping them rebuild, 5 at a time I threw up the smiley face ( letting all know it was a joke ) but dang I hope that statement is nothing more than a bad joke.

Jeff. Sad part is. Obama and members of Congress actually expect the Information starved Americans to believe AQ, and the Taliban have been destroyed. It may seem like a bad joke on the surface but...Obama needs the political power to convince Uninformed Americans that THERE IS NO MORE THREAT OF TERROR here.
After all. When he SINGLE-HANDEDLY controlled taking out OBL, then declared him Dead to ALL OF US on TV.
That ended OBAMA's idea of needing to protect us...IN HIS TERMS.
So. Your bad joke isn't quite as Bad as Obama would have us believe, or think.

The WAR ON TERROR is far from ended.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Define terrorist.

my , my how Clintonian

The meaning of is... is?

[Drummond]

Seriously, are you even British?

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/tran...ranscript/950/

And I already detailed the connection.

What a ridiculous answer.

I asked you to name the 'more than 5 higher up Nazis' you'd apparently had in mind.

You replied by NOT naming any such Nazis, as requested. Instead, you post a link to your PBS, leading to a transcript I'm supposed to wade through, which, as my skimming of it shows, does NOT produce those 'more than 5' names.

If you think it does, LIST THEM IN YOUR REPLY.

As for what I noted at the end of the transcript ... I quote ....

That one Nazi war criminal escaped justice because these tapes were not used is a crime in itself.

ONE.

You ask if I'm British ... obviously your latest attempt to be abusive. And why ... because I supposedly don't have perfect recall, or knowledge, of all that British Intelligence have done in the past ?? Do YOU have perfect knowledge of CIA operations over the years ??

And you've yet to prove your case in any event.

So let me ask: ARE YOU AMERICAN ?

I think the question is reasonable. After all, Americans suffered 9/11 directly, with all the associated traumas from it. But despite this, I see you asking - incredible, this !! - what A TERRORIST IS ?!!??

I won't just ask you if you're an American, FJ. I will also ask you IF YOU'RE EVEN FOR REAL !

[Oh, by the way ... us British do NOT have PBS 'on tap' (or at all), so of course your PBS transcript would be new to me]

[Drummond]

my , my how Clintonian

The meaning of is... is?

Now I've seen it all, Tyr. Incredible. An 'American' apparently needing to ask what a terrorist is .. !!

This is the same individual who, in the past, has argued with me about (ahem) terrorist 'humanity', as I recall.

So now, I understand why ... if a basic question asking for the definition of 'terrorist' ever has to be asked !!!

[Jeff]

Feinstein Slams 'Unilateral' Obama After Apology for Bergdahl Trade


OK so we have all seen the articles were Obama has said he did give Congress notice , and yes I seen Rice say the same but now we have reports that the WH is apoligizing for the " the oversight regarding the matter "

Can you say Scandal, yes it looks like we have our newest Obama scandal

The White House is apologizing to some members of Congress for not giving advance notice of the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl on Saturday — but at least one person not on that list is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Sen. Saxby Chambliss, the ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, received a telephone call Tuesday afternoon from Homeland Security Adviser Lisa Monaco apologizing for not giving a heads-up about the release of five senior Taliban militants from the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a spokeswoman told Newsmax.

The committee's chairwoman, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, told reporters that she received a call late Monday from Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken apologizing for what he called an "oversight" regarding the matter.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/whi.../03/id/574934/

[Jeff]

Here comes the Scandal, What Obama thought was going to make him a hero is in turn going down as the latest scandal of a term filled with scandals, with any luck maybe this one will help get him out of office, we all know that wont happen, this guy has gotten away with so much it makes my head spin and all he has to do is cry racism and folks drop the charges in a heart beat. I sure hope folks remember the First BLACK president we had and how he played the racism game just like any other thug on the street ,and it worked so far.


All you have to do is read the articles that came out this week how Obama said he gave Congress notice, how Rice said Congress was given the notice they are suppose to get , and then the article showing Obama himself apologizing for NOT giving appropriate time, Yes there will be much more to this story, I can't wait to see where it goes.

The rescue of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has mushroomed into yet "another scandal that is consuming the White House, one which I'm sure they did not anticipate," Florida Rep. Jeff Miller told Newsmax on Tuesday.

"I would suspect that the White House thought that by bringing Sgt. Bergdahl home they would be applauded," Miller, chairman of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee, said in an exclusive interview. "Obviously, that's not what's occurring. It is bipartisan outrage."

Over the weekend, Bergdahl, 28, was released in Afghanistan in exchange for five Taliban detainees who were being held in the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The deal was brokered by the government of Qatar.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Jef.../03/id/574990/

[jimnyc]

Notable comment from the article.

Not notable to me. Between wanting to denounce is citizenship, hanging with locals daily, telling everyone how disillusioned he was with the Army, he felt for the enemy, sent his belonging homes and left a damn note!!! Oh, and lets not forget the guy on his team who overheard the chatter with his own ears on the intel radios that Bergdahl was holed up in another city looking for the Taliban - ALL before this article ever saw the light of day a year later.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Now I've seen it all, Tyr. Incredible. An 'American' apparently needing to ask what a terrorist is .. !!

This is the same individual who, in the past, has argued with me about (ahem) terrorist 'humanity', as I recall.

So now, I understand why ... if a basic question asking for the definition of 'terrorist' ever has to be asked !!!

I found it a bit strange for fj to be asking.. The concept that any American needs a definition of word TERRORIST is an alarming one.
So I thought maybe it was just a "Clintonian" response but even that had me baffled... -Tyr

[darin]

Crock of shit. He was a F'ing PRIVATE when we walked away. He didn't have any special skills; anything he MIGHT have taught them probably came from a Google Search.

[jimnyc]

I don't get that part either. I find it hard to believe that his fellow soldiers and others who have spoken out didn't do so earlier. I read an article yesterday how someone "familiar with the WH" said that the administration wasn't prepared for this and had no idea this would explode. Now I have to search for the article...

Of course I don't find it hard to believe what you've heard, they not smart.

Here is the article:

Analysts: White House Miscalculated Backlash Over Bergdahl Deal

WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — It’s been a rocky reception for the White House since securing the freedom of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl over the weekend, and now political analysts believe the Obama administration miscalculated the backlash they’d receive for the act.

Bergdahl, who left his Army base in 2009 before being captured by the Taliban, was released after the U.S. exchanged five high-level Taliban members kept at Guantanamo Bay.

What the administration thought would be “euphoria” over the successful release of Bergdahl instead brought a wave of criticism that flooded the White House for exchanging terrorists for an accused deserter.

“On Sunday, I think they thought there would be some euphoria around this,” NBC News’ Chuck Todd said. “That there would be a rally around the flag. That didn’t happen.”

National Security Adviser Susan Rice told ABC News Sunday that Bergdahl, 28, served with “honor and distinction” and that he was a prisoner of war, despite the Pentagon not listing him as such. Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, told CBSDC that the administration tried to sell this “great story” of praising Bergdahl as a hero.

“It didn’t take long for this PR push to falter. His fellow soldiers describe Bergdahl as a deserter, and they are bitter that American lives were lost trying to find and rescue him,” Sabato explained to CBSDC. “And then there’s the prisoner swap. Those five senior terrorists caused a lot of people’s stomachs to turn and temperatures to rise. Quite a price to pay for a soldier who may be a deserter, if reports are true.”

Republicans have been in an uproar since the news came to light, claiming that the Obama administration has put an asking price on an American hostage captured by terrorists. They also criticized the agreement and complained about not having been consulted, citing a law that requires Congress to be given 30 days’ notice before a prisoner is released from Guantanamo.

Republicans on the House Armed Services Committee said the Pentagon notified the panel by phone on Saturday that the exchange was occurring in the next five hours.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/...bergdahl-deal/

[jimnyc]

3 more guys speak out against Bergdahl:

WASHINGTON — Three former members of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s platoon spoke to The Associated Press on Tuesday about Bergdahl’s disappearance, his freedom and how he should be treated now that he’s out. The interviews were facilitated by a public relations firm, Capitol Media Partners, co-owned by Republican strategist Richard Grenell. All three men said Bergdahl should be investigated for desertion. Army Secretary John McHugh said Tuesday that after Bergdahl has recovered, the Army will “review” the circumstances of his disappearance.

Joshua Cornelison, 25, who was a medic in the platoon:

Cornelison said Bergdahl was unusually reluctant to talk to fellow soldiers about his personal life or his background.

“He was very, very quiet. He kept everything very close to the vest,” Cornelison said, speaking from Sacramento, California. “So, after he actually left, the following morning we realized we have Bergdahl’s weapon, we have Bergdahl’s body armor, we have Bergdahl’s sensitive equipment (but) we don’t have Bowe Bergdahl.” At that point, Cornelison said, it occurred to him that Bergdahl was “that one guy that wanted to disappear, and now he’s gotten his wish.”

Cornelison, who completed his Army service in 2012, said he believes Bergdahl should be held accountable.

“Bowe Bergdahl needs to be held 100 percent accountable for all of his irresponsibility and all of his actions. He willfully deserted his post and he needs to be held accountable for that,” he said.

Evan Buetow, 27, who was a sergeant in the platoon:

Buetow, speaking from Maple Valley, Washington, said Bergdahl had asked him a number of questions a short time before his disappearance that, in retrospect, make it apparent that Bergdahl had been planning to leave.

Bergdahl asked him, for example, how much of a cash advance he could get and how to go about mailing home his personal computer and other belongings. He also asked what would happen if his weapon and other sensitive items such as night vision goggles went missing. He said he told Bergdahl that, as any soldier would know, that would be “a big deal.”

“At the time … it wasn’t really alarming” to hear Bergdahl ask about those things, Buetow said. “Yes, it was a kind of off-the-wall question,” but the notion of a fellow soldier running off during the night seemed so far-fetched as to not be possible, he said.

Buetow said he feels strongly that Bergdahl should face trial for desertion, but he said it is less clear that he should be blamed for the deaths of all soldiers killed during months of trying to find him. Beutow said he knows of at least one death on an intelligence-directed infantry patrol to a village in search of Bergdahl. More broadly, the mission of his entire unit changed after Bergdahl’s disappearance because it began to incorporate efforts to pursue clues to his whereabouts.

“Those soldiers who died on those missions, they would not have been where they were … if Bergdahl had never walked away,” he said. “At the same time I do believe it is somewhat unfair for people to say, ‘It is Bergdahl’s fault that these people are dead.’ I think that’s a little harsh.”

Matt Vierkant, 27, of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, was a team leader of another squad in Bergdahl’s platoon.

He’s now out of the military and studying mechanical engineering.

Soldiers from his unit and other units were wounded or killed on missions to chase down leads related to Bergdahl, he said.

Asked about the statement Sunday by National Security Adviser Susan Rice that Bergdahl served “with honor and distinction,” he said: “That statement couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t know if she was misinformed or doesn’t know about the investigations and everything else, or what.”

He said Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers knew within five or 10 minutes from the discovery of disappearance that he had walked away. In retrospect the signs were there, he said, but there was nothing so definitive that would have prompted action.

“He said some strange things, like, ‘I could get lost in those mountains,’ which, at the time, that doesn’t really strike you as someone who is going to leave their weapon and walk out.”

Vierkant said he believes it’s paramount that an investigation determine whether Bergdahl deserted or collaborated with the enemy.

“It shouldn’t even be a question of whether, it should question of when,” he said.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/...-to-disappear/