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    Obama: I'll act on my own on immigration

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    By ERICA WERNER and JIM KUHNHENN
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    AP) — Conceding defeat on a top domestic priority, President Barack Obama blamed a Republican "year of obstruction" for the demise of sweeping immigration legislation on Monday and said he would take new steps without Congress to fix as much of the system as he can on his own.


    "The only thing I can't do is stand by and do nothing," the president said. But he gave few hints about what steps he might take by executive action.

    Even as he blamed House Republicans for frustrating him on immigration, Obama asked Congress for more money and additional authority to deal with the unexpected crisis of a surge of unaccompanied Central American youths arriving by the thousands at the Mexico-US border. Obama wants flexibility to speed the youths' deportations and $2 billion in new money to hire more immigration judges and open more detention facilities, requests that got a cool reception from congressional Republicans and angered advocates.

    The twin announcements came as the administration confronted the tricky politics of immigration in an election year with Democratic control of the Senate in jeopardy. The fast-developing humanitarian disaster on the border has provoked calls for a border crackdown at the same moment that immigration advocates are demanding Obama loosen deportation rules in the face of congressional inaction.

    Obama's announcement came almost a year to the day after the Senate passed a historic immigration bill that would have spent billions to secure the border and offered a path to citizenship for many of the 11.5 million people now here illegally. Despite the efforts of an extraordinary coalition of businesses, unions, religious leaders, law enforcement officials and others, the Republican-led House never acted.

    Obama wanted to make immigration overhaul the central accomplishment of his second term just as the health care law was the signature achievement of his first term.


    "Our country and our economy would be stronger today if House Republicans had allowed a simple yes-or-no vote on this bill or, for that matter, any bill," Obama said in the Rose Garden. "They'd be following the will of the majority of the American people, who support reform. And instead they've proven again and again that they're unwilling to stand up to the tea party in order to do what's best for the country."

    Obama said that House Speaker John Boehner, a Republican, informed him last week that the House would not be taking up immigration legislation this year.

    A growing number of advocates and congressional Democrats already have declared immigration dead, the victim, in part, of internal Republican politics, with the most conservative lawmakers resisting the calls of party leaders to back action and revive the party's standing with Latino voters. The Central American migrant surge, along with the surprise defeat of House Majority Leader Eric Cantor at the hands of an upstart candidate from the right who accused him of backing "amnesty," helped kill whatever chances remain.

    Boehner blamed Obama for the outcome.

    "I told the president what I have been telling him for months: the American people and their elected officials don't trust him to enforce the law as written. Until that changes, it is going to be difficult to make progress on this issue," he said. Boehner called Obama's plan to go it alone "sad and disappointing."

    Obama directed Homeland Security Department Secretary Jeh Johnson and Attorney General Eric Holder to present him by the end of the summer with steps he can take without congressional approval.

    For now the White House said he'd refocus resources from the interior of the country to the border, a move that would effectively further reduce the number of deportations in the country's interior by stressing enforcement action on individuals who are either recent unlawful border crossers or who present a national security threat, public safety, or border security threat.
    bampunk says, Congress do as I bid because if you don't I'll just keep on taking your power and acting as a tyrant dictator!
    And the media fawns /praises the bastard as if he is a hero!
    While he engages in pure treason!!!! --Tyr
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    This is how Hitler and Mussolini started, slow and gradual, designating certain groups as subjects to be hated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    bampunk says, Congress do as I bid because if you don't I'll just keep on taking your power and acting as a tyrant dictator!
    And the media fawns /praises the bastard as if he is a hero!

    While he engages in pure treason!!!! --Tyr
    Yes and the media is full of Liberals, liberals need someone to wipe their Butts so yes he is their Hero! And as long as he has these worms running behind him he will continue to do as he pleases.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    While he engages in pure treason!!!! --Tyr
    Details of treason from the story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Details of treason from the story?
    If you disagree, then state why. I'll not bother to explain my judgment
    as if I have no right to an opinion. Obama's history of seizing more and more power is obvious to anybody not blinded.
    Check out a truly great Constitutional expert -Turley's writes on it.
    And check this out as well.
    25 years ago a brazen declaration like Obama just made would have destroyed a President making it--now it is instead--Praised!
    Liberal insanity that will almost surely come to a head someday--likely soon!
    That coming to a head has a name -- guess what it is..-Tyr
    Last edited by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot; 07-01-2014 at 08:10 AM.
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    I can't believe this man has the audacity to outright claim he'll ignore congress and do his own thing. It's a shame that there is no way to stop him in his tracks. I don't think he should have the ability to ignore law, make law and such...

    Imagine for a moment that he decided to ignore abortion laws and make changes on such a hotbed issue?

    This is really getting ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    I'll not bother to explain my judgment
    So the story was just a jumping off point for another rant?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I can't believe this man has the audacity to outright claim he'll ignore congress and do his own thing. It's a shame that there is no way to stop him in his tracks. I don't think he should have the ability to ignore law, make law and such...
    He has options via executive order.

    Obama seeks power to return immigrant children

    But what are his options for the unprecedented situation on the border?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    He has options via executive order.

    Obama seeks power to return immigrant children


    But what are his options for the unprecedented situation on the border?
    The only option should be to take unprecedented actions to protect our borders and stop the hemorrhaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    The only option should be to take unprecedented actions to protect our borders and stop the hemorrhaging.
    How is he supposed to take unprecedented action without doing his own thing? You know that Americans won't just look at tens of thousands of kids and not do something.
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    Action he can take without congress is to militarize the border. send FEMA into the border area to house and secure the illegals. Enforce the laws already on the books instead of ignoring them. He doesn't need congress for any of that.

    This is a bama created crisis to undermine and overwhelm states, put the blame on congress and supply more voters to the DNC (the national socialist party).
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    So the story was just a jumping off point for another rant?



    He has options via executive order.

    Obama seeks power to return immigrant children

    But what are his options for the unprecedented situation on the border?
    Actually it was a thread started to discuss Obama thinking he gets to tell Congress --do you job or I'll do your job. When our Constitution expressly forbids him doing that! Obviously that if he could do that we'd have no need for Congress !!! Strange how you seem to miss that...
    And try to divert this into discussing if its just a rant by me.
    THE OP ARTICLE clearly shows that Obama dictates(look that word up) to Congress it must act when and how he deems best!

    How about you discuss the article and not whether I rant in my replies.
    Since the article was not authored by me nor is it a rant!--Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    How is he supposed to take unprecedented action without doing his own thing? You know that Americans won't just look at tens of thousands of kids and not do something.
    You should investigate Obama admin advertising for transportation for those kids a year ago ! And consider how and why MEXICO suddenly let them in to cross their country to get to our border to come here.
    Mexico used to keeps its Southern border tightly sealed. Now suddenly they dont! They suddenly ignore their own extremely strict immigration laws to allow this massive influx!
    Can you even say -conspiracy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    How is he supposed to take unprecedented action without doing his own thing? You know that Americans won't just look at tens of thousands of kids and not do something.
    Enforcing our border laws is much different than "fixing the system". He can legally do things to enforce the laws we already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Actually it was a thread started to discuss Obama thinking he gets to tell Congress --do you job or I'll do your job. When our Constitution expressly forbids him doing that! Obviously that if he could do that we'd have no need for Congress !!! Strange how you seem to miss that...
    And try to divert this into discussing if its just a rant by me.
    THE OP ARTICLE clearly shows that Obama dictates(look that word up) to Congress it must act when and how he deems best!

    How about you discuss the article and not whether I rant in my replies.
    Since the article was not authored by me nor is it a rant!--Tyr
    Checked the story for "dictate;" it's not in there. So it's your contention that Executive Orders are unconstitutional? I'd guess we can impeach about 44 Presidents for that one then. And seeing as there are two branches of government that could take action here and if one branch is unable/unwilling to act then that leaves another option. That option may suck but there it is.

    And the article isn't really worth discussing as it's relatively benign; it's the inference that one makes from the article that would be the point of discussion. But seeing as so many here are only able to discuss viewpoints that completely coincide with their own... discussion is likely dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    You should investigate Obama admin advertising for transportation for those kids a year ago ! And consider how and why MEXICO suddenly let them in to cross their country to get to our border to come here.
    Mexico used to keeps its Southern border tightly sealed. Now suddenly they dont! They suddenly ignore their own extremely strict immigration laws to allow this massive influx!
    Can you even say -conspiracy?
    You may do your own work. I debunk enough of your rants to bother with another. If you've got a point to make it's best to make it with fact and truth.

    "Suddenly they don't!"? Yeah, when was that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    Action he can take without congress is to militarize the border. send FEMA into the border area to house and secure the illegals. Enforce the laws already on the books instead of ignoring them. He doesn't need congress for any of that.

    This is a bama created crisis to undermine and overwhelm states, put the blame on congress and supply more voters to the DNC (the national socialist party).
    Which is nothing new but suddenly it's a globalist conspiracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Enforcing our border laws is much different than "fixing the system". He can legally do things to enforce the laws we already have.
    Agreed, but one thing he apparently asked for is the ability to expedite deportations. Those kids need to be back with parents.
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