the least-skilled demanding MORE money - without earning it

[darin]

Oh come on. We both know Detroit and you're closer to it than I am. Those people by and large have zero control. There are no jobs and she is probably in a better position than most. The Detroit unemployment rate is 17.7% and going up so where are these wonderful jobs at? Do I think she's wrong and short-sighted? Of course but it's better to explain the problem than call her lazy.

Move. If the jobs aren't where I am, I pick up and Move. If I can do it. ANYONE "Can".

Most people WANT a new, higher paying job. Most people are not WILLING to get a new, higher paying job.

This is about the eaches taking theirs and moving camp to where the jobs are. It sucks and its tough. But so what?

[BoogyMan]

It would seem that what we are seeing today is an outcome of the entitlement ideology under which the country is currently operating. We all know that fast food jobs are not $15 per hour jobs and that such labor cost increases are going to be ruinous to that particular industry, but with the justification of "it is only fair" being parroted by our government as a valid reason for the increase it looks like we will likely be pushed off that cliff.

Couple this with the hideously costly Obamacare mandates and the future doesn't appear to hold much positivity for the business climate in the fast food space or any other business environment that modern liberals target for ruin.

[aboutime]

Those workers can make all of the extorted demands for higher wages they want until...their FORMER employers either close, or get out of the business all together since they won't be able to afford keeping their doors open.

The national Union leaders WANT the demands for higher minimum wages to continue as a means of Growing their Union memberships. Which means MORE DUES PAYING MEMBERS feeding the pockets of the Union bosses.

Meanwhile...as Obama Plays his fiddle with the blessings of the Democrat controlled Senate. The Unemployment rates will go higher, and the former employers who will be forced to pay Those Lost Employee's Unemployment fee's...generates more of the DEFICIT for all of us.

[fj1200]

Move. If the jobs aren't where I am, I pick up and Move. If I can do it. ANYONE "Can".

Most people WANT a new, higher paying job. Most people are not WILLING to get a new, higher paying job.

This is about the eaches taking theirs and moving camp to where the jobs are. It sucks and its tough. But so what?

In theory anyone 'can.' In reality many are stuck. Besides if they don't have the skills to get a higher paying job where they are they're unlikely to have the skills to get a higher paying job somewhere else.

It would seem that what we are seeing today is an outcome of the entitlement ideology under which the country is currently operating.

I think it's more an outcome of government policy that has been allowing this sort of environment to stagnate for going on a couple of decades now.

[BoogyMan]

Check out the future of fast food. The $15 per hour wage will see these installed quick, fast, and in a hurry.

http://www.businessinsider.com/momen...r-robot-2014-8

A company called Momentum Machines has built a robot that could radically change the fast-food industry and have some line cooks looking for new jobs.

The company's robot can "slice toppings like tomatoes and pickles immediately before it places the slice onto your burger, giving you the freshest burger possible." The robot is "more consistent, more sanitary, and can produce ~360 hamburgers per hour." That's one burger every 10 seconds.

The next generation of the device will offer "custom meat grinds for every single customer. Want a patty with 1/3 pork and 2/3 bison ground to order? No problem."

Momentum Machines cofounder Alexandros Vardakostas told Xconomy his "device isn’t meant to make employees more efficient. It’s meant to completely obviate them." Indeed, marketing copy on the company's site reads that their automaton "does everything employees can do, except better."....

[darin]

In theory anyone 'can.' In reality many are stuck. Besides if they don't have the skills to get a higher paying job where they are they're unlikely to have the skills to get a higher paying job somewhere else.

It's about willing-to. WILLING to find the skills or work whatever is required to earn the money they want. I remain convinced probaly 90% of those protesting are simply, and ultimately lazy.

[Baba Booey]

Check out the future of fast food. The $15 per hour wage will see these installed quick, fast, and in a hurry.

http://www.businessinsider.com/momen...r-robot-2014-8

I saw that somewhere.

As a rule I don't eat fast food.

Years ago when "mechanically processed chicken" came into the spotlight that was enough.

Taco Bell's "seasoned beef" legal battle and then "pink slime" after that made any future lapse in judgment an impossibility. I'll eat out of a fucking dumpster before I eat at any of the fast food places.

But I do notice that McDonalds is phasing their dollar menu out now.

[aboutime]

http://www.theautomat.net/

[fj1200]

Check out the future of fast food. The $15 per hour wage will see these installed quick, fast, and in a hurry.

http://www.businessinsider.com/momen...r-robot-2014-8

Cost of capital vs. cost of labor. Forcing up the cost of one side makes the other side look that much more attractive.

It's about willing-to. WILLING to find the skills or work whatever is required to earn the money they want. I remain convinced probaly 90% of those protesting are simply, and ultimately lazy.

Yeah, OK. There's bigger problems to solve that calling them lazy won't help. You're going to drive them right into the arms of the Democrats for another generation.

[darin]

Yeah, OK. There's bigger problems to solve that calling them lazy won't help. You're going to drive them right into the arms of the Democrats for another generation.

I'm too cynical to think there's ANY OTHER option than the folks i'm talking about voting ANYTHING but democrat, regardless.

[Gunny]

One thing I hasn't been addressed .... if minimum wage is doubled, are my wages correspondingly doubled? If not, that's just dragging my wages down.

[aboutime]

One thing I hasn't been addressed .... if minimum wage is doubled, are my wages correspondingly doubled? If not, that's just dragging my wages down.

Gunny. As I stated earlier. The Unions LOVE to use the Minimum Wage Increase for their members. It's a great BARGAINING chip when they go to Negotiations with a city, or township that is negotiating for Higher Wages.

If the Fed, State, or Local govt approves of a Minimum Wage Hike...for anybody. The Unions have ammunition to ASK, and DEMAND higher wages for their memberships.

Law of Supply and Demand...maybe. Realistic...You bet if you are a Union Negotiator.

[Gunny]

Gunny. As I stated earlier. The Unions LOVE to use the Minimum Wage Increase for their members. It's a great BARGAINING chip when they go to Negotiations with a city, or township that is negotiating for Higher Wages.

If the Fed, State, or Local govt approves of a Minimum Wage Hike...for anybody. The Unions have ammunition to ASK, and DEMAND higher wages for their memberships.

Law of Supply and Demand...maybe. Realistic...You bet if you are a Union Negotiator.

I agree, but this isn't about the union right now. This about our illustrious CinC bellowing for a national minimum wage that does not reflect differing regional economies.

Most cause and effect has been covered by others in this thread. My question in regard to cause and effect is do I get a corresponding raise too? All these minimum wage folk aren't looking big picture as far as the ripple effect goes. Double THEIR income and I want mine doubled. I get paid for my skills and it ain't flipping burgers and being sullen and slow in a fast food joint. I BUILD them.

BTW .. I am NOT a union electrician. The electrical union here got broken when Texas became a right to work state. They can't keep their people employed. We get union employees that work that basically work non-union until they get a call, then they're gone. And it IS a good ol' boy thing here.

[aboutime]

I agree, but this isn't about the union right now. This about our illustrious CinC bellowing for a national minimum wage that does not reflect differing regional economies.

Most cause and effect has been covered by others in this thread. My question in regard to cause and effect is do I get a corresponding raise too? All these minimum wage folk aren't looking big picture as far as the ripple effect goes. Double THEIR income and I want mine doubled. I get paid for my skills and it ain't flipping burgers and being sullen and slow in a fast food joint. I BUILD them.

BTW .. I am NOT a union electrician. The electrical union here got broken when Texas became a right to work state. They can't keep their people employed. We get union employees that work that basically work non-union until they get a call, then they're gone. And it IS a good ol' boy thing here.

Gunny. Gotta partially disagree with you. Investigation by ME have found the UNION "S.E.I.U" to be behind the rallies, and demonstrations against the Fast Food Franchise Owners who will probably be forced to get rid of many employee's, or shorten their working hours due to the Increase in wages...without increasing PROFITS.

[Gunny]

Gunny. Gotta partially disagree with you. Investigation by ME have found the UNION "S.E.I.U" to be behind the rallies, and demonstrations against the Fast Food Franchise Owners who will probably be forced to get rid of many employee's, or shorten their working hours due to the Increase in wages...without increasing PROFITS.

That wouldn't surprise me a bit. They've occasionally tried to "salt" our company with plants.

But who is to blame was not what I was addressing. I was addressing the effect on the economy and everyone else's (my) wages.

On the union issue, WHAT exactly does the union have to gain? Fast food workers aren't union. Driving the wage scale up in Detroit, a dead city, is going to do what for them? They can collect more dues from laid-off employees (not) working non-existent jobs?

Union employees are skilled labor. They make more than minimum wage. I don't see the incentive for the unions to want to increase wages when they can't even keep their people employed as it is. I just spent the last 3 years in that region of the US. It's dead to blue-collar trade workers. And I mean D-E-A-D dead. A case of the Dems cutting their own throats since it's THEIR policy that killed industry in the "Rust Belt". They EPA'd their own supporters out of business but their own supporters are too stupid to see that blindly keep putting them in office.

Are the unions self-serving bureaucrats and power brokers that have priced themselves out of business? Yes. They are a microcosm of the Federal government. Are they above dirty tricks? No. I just don't see any incentive for unions to give a flip about non-union employees who are unskilled labor.