The inside history of WWII

[Gunny]

I have always considered this the turning point of the war. Hitler got too greedy. He somehow felt the air attacks on London would force a surrender. When it didn't happen immediately, he decided to attack Russia. Which Stalin pretty much anticipated.
If the German navy and Luftwaffe had blockaded the U.K., the Brits would have been forced to negotiate. For some reason, Hitler didn't want that. He wanted outright surrender, which was not coming.
The cat and mouse game between Hitler and Stalin on the Eastern Front makes for fascinating and horrifying reading. How both of them used their own people as pieces on a giant chess board.

Stalin was actually caught completely off guard. He thought he and Hitler were going to divide Europe between them.

Blockading The UK would not have worked, as evidenced by two world wars. Hitler's strategic downfall was switching from going after the RAF to going after population centers. The RAF could not have sustained even two more months of being targeted. It wasn't that they weren't good. Attrition was their enemy.

[Gunny]

Hitler had no other choice in 41 but to attack the Soviets. Confirmed reports indicated Stalin had agreed with the Brits to invade from the east no later than summer of 42 or 43.

Resources were critical and for the Reich it was a matter of gaining new oil supplies or facing defeat.

The Fuhrer had no other choice. that was it!

[Gunny]

you first.. if you disagree.. what other choices then?

Don't know about the bunk you're posting but I can make an observation. Your tactics suck. This is two threads you've made a baseless statement then demanded others disprove it. Most assertions come with some form or evidence, argument, or opinion at least, not a schoolyard challenge.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Hitler had no other choice in 41 but to attack the Soviets. Confirmed reports indicated Stalin had agreed with the Brits to invade from the east no later than summer of 42 or 43.

Resources were critical and for the Reich it was a matter of gaining new oil supplies or facing defeat.

The Fuhrer had no other choice. that was it!

You are clueless as hell. It is verified fact that Hitler had drawn up plans years before to use Russia as an ally then turn to conquer Russia at an opportune moment. Would not matter if your post was true or not about the 42'43 accusation... It was in the German/Nazi plan all along. God, you ignorant of history people irk me to no end!!
Damn , dude do you not know that top German leaders, military and otherwise survived the war and wrote books and articles about all this over the decades since ?
Additionally that we and the Russians seized massive amounts of Nazi government documents that revealed the strategy and plans Hitler used!
Here is a hint, buy some WW2 history books or else do a competent Google search on this. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Stalin was actually caught completely off guard. He thought he and Hitler were going to divide Europe between them.

Blockading The UK would not have worked, as evidenced by two world wars. Hitler's strategic downfall was switching from going after the RAF to going after population centers. The RAF could not have sustained even two more months of being targeted. It wasn't that they weren't good. Attrition was their enemy.

Dead on accurate..
Churchill's book - Closing The Ring- confirms all of that .--Tyr

Closing the Ring: The Second World War, Volume 5
One of the most fascinating works of history ever written, Winston Churchill's monumental book The Second World War is a six-volume account of the struggle of ...

https://archive.org/details/closingring00wins

[NightTrain]

Hitler had no other choice in 41 but to attack the Soviets. Confirmed reports indicated Stalin had agreed with the Brits to invade from the east no later than summer of 42 or 43.

Resources were critical and for the Reich it was a matter of gaining new oil supplies or facing defeat.

The Fuhrer had no other choice. that was it!

It's been a long time since we've had a Nazi stop by the board!

That explains the low intelligence, education level and hatred of Israel.

[Gunny]

It's been a long time since we've had a Nazi stop by the board!

That explains the low intelligence, education level and hatred of Israel.

The Nazi's would have been well-served to have an Israel. They could just ship all the Jews there and dump them rather than what they actually did about the Jews and the ramifications they faced for it.

[artur axmann]

The Nazi's would have been well-served to have an Israel. They could just ship all the Jews there and dump them rather than what they actually did about the Jews and the ramifications they faced for it.

We did actually try doing exactly that; not to israel but Palestine under british occupation then. the brits wouldn't have it.

[Gaffer]

We did actually try doing exactly that; not to israel but Palestine under british occupation then. the brits wouldn't have it.

So when did you try doing that to the pals?

[artur axmann]

So when did you try doing that to the pals?

1936 ... that was when we started to train the zionists as per their requests and even provided them with weapons and farming implements ,not to mention their first uniforms. next..

is that what you wanted to know ?

[NightTrain]

So, Artur, how long have you been a Nazi?

I really didn't think there were any left to speak of these days. They kinda have a less-than-desirable reputation, what with the whole fascism and genocide thing.

[artur axmann]

I wouldn't take Churchill's word for anything . When Drunk or Sober..

While it's true that the Fuhrer had at one time dreams of expanding the reich into slavic held territory under soviet control, ;all these dreams were abandoned by 41-42

The lack of resources and the inability to compete with the Brit navy convinced the fuhrer to drive south eastward toward Iran .
To cut the brits off from the canal and to acquire oil from Iran.

it was all ad hoc after that especially when Rommel couldn't hold on to bengazi .. you've heard of bengazi haven't you..

This led the fuhrer to decide the only other course which was, to level a knockout punch to the soviets in light of the fact that war with stalin was inevitable.

[namvet]

1936 ... that was when we started to train the zionists as per their requests and even provided them with weapons and farming implements ,not to mention their first uniforms. next..

is that what you wanted to know ?

yeah sure they did. then murdered as many as possible. your just another a jew hater

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Dead on accurate..
Churchill's book - Closing The Ring- confirms all of that .--Tyr

Closing the Ring: The Second World War, Volume 5
One of the most fascinating works of history ever written, Winston Churchill's monumental book The Second World War is a six-volume account of the struggle of ...

I assume your reply quoted below was to me .-Tyr

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I wouldn't take Churchill's word for anything . When Drunk or Sober..

While it's true that the Fuhrer had at one time dreams of expanding the reich into slavic held territory under soviet control, ;all these dreams were abandoned by 41-42

The lack of resources and the inability to compete with the Brit navy convinced the fuhrer to drive south eastward toward Iran .
To cut the brits off from the canal and to acquire oil from Iran.

it was all ad hoc after that especially when Rommel couldn't hold on to bengazi .. you've heard of bengazi haven't you..

This led the fuhrer to decide the only other course which was, to level a knockout punch to the soviets in light of the fact that war with stalin was inevitable.

While it's true that the Fuhrer had at one time dreams of expanding the reich into slavic held territory under soviet control, ;all these dreams were abandoned by 41-42

^^^^ Obviously not since he did exactly that!!---Tyr

I wouldn't take Churchill's word for anything . When Drunk or Sober..

^^^^ Yet obviously you are taking somebody's word on it and that word is dead wrong as historic evidence reveals. Evidence from multiple sources not just Churchill..--Tyr

[aboutime]

I assume your reply quoted below was to me .-Tyr





^^^^ Obviously not since he did exactly that!!---Tyr




^^^^ Yet obviously you are taking somebody's word on it and that word is dead wrong as historic evidence reveals. Evidence from multiple sources not just Churchill..--Tyr

Tyr. I am convinced Artur would proudly salute this.....