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[Drummond]

You sure are one mindless parroting fool. I see your "agenda" prattle is popping up again. What's my agenda? Make you look the fool??? If you didn't make it so easy. Case in point would be the corner I've backed you in to. So are you going to argue FOR the big government solution that you support or are you going to argue FOR the small government solution you don't support?

But I guess I already have your answer as your position is that "conservatism in action" is...







With conservative "allies" like you who needs enemies?

... so, then ... you, the one-time 'Ultimate Thatcherite', now DISAPPROVE of her??

You must do ... because her pragmatism resulted in her choosing Big Government methods whenever she saw a need for it.

Maybe you have learned something, after all.

By the way - my suggestion : STOP HIJACKING THE THREAD.

How much longer will it take for you to admit to being a Leftie .. ??

In passing - I don't mind your new signature text. After all, you're telling the truth in it (congrats on that -).

... so .... gone off of 'Mags', then .. ? It was bound to happen. How couldn't it .... since she was a CONSERVATIVE Leader, and known to be a thoroughly exceptional one !

[fj1200]

Still trying to hijack the thread ?

-- And YOU accuse ME of trolling ? Incredible ..

Well if you hadn't made this thread, like so many others, an incredible display of your mindlessness then...

[fj1200]

... so, then ... you, the one-time 'Ultimate Thatcherite', now DISAPPROVE of her??

You must do ... because her pragmatism resulted in her choosing Big Government methods whenever she saw a need for it.

Maybe you have learned something, after all.

By the way - my suggestion : STOP HIJACKING THE THREAD.

How much longer will it take for you to admit to being a Leftie .. ??

In passing - I don't mind your new signature text. After all, you're telling the truth in it (congrats on that -).

... so .... gone off of 'Mags', then .. ? It was bound to happen. How couldn't it .... since she was a CONSERVATIVE Leader, and known to be a thoroughly exceptional one !

Running away from the tough questions again I see. Not that I'm surprised. What would make you think I disapprove of her? As I've said before Mags is awesome. You're the one who can't argue their way out of a wet paper bag. I'm just waiting for someone who claims to be a conservative, that would be you, to speak in defense of big government. And since I've been calling you a big government hack for so long I guess it's about time that you fess up to my accurate description. You're defending big government now so I must have been on the money before... since you agree with the truth in my signature that is. Do your knucklehead pals realize you've forsaken conservatism?

So unless you can point out my big government, i.e. leftie, positions then you'll just have to admit your failure.


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I couldn't say that with a straight face, who am I kidding.

[Drummond]

Running away from the tough questions again I see. Not that I'm surprised. What would make you think I disapprove of her? As I've said before Mags is awesome. You're the one who can't argue their way out of a wet paper bag. I'm just waiting for someone who claims to be a conservative, that would be you, to speak in defense of big government. And since I've been calling you a big government hack for so long I guess it's about time that you fess up to my accurate description. You're defending big government now so I must have been on the money before... since you agree with the truth in my signature that is. Do your knucklehead pals realize you've forsaken conservatism?

So unless you can point out my big government, i.e. leftie, positions then you'll just have to admit your failure.


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I couldn't say that with a straight face, who am I kidding.

That I would want to argue in defence of big Government is a fiction of your own creation.

What I've sought to do - and which your Leftie outlook has utterly failed to comprehend - is show you the truth that, on occasions, 'big Government' decision-making is necessary. It simply is.

The point of Conservatism is that it does not seek to intrude upon the individual - or his/her rights - UNLESS IT'S REALLY NECESSARY. But, you being a Leftie, you cannot comprehend the place of pragmatism within a greater philosophy, can you .. what Leftie ever could ?

I've supplied examples of that already. Review them and you'll see my point ... IF your philosophy can cope with that extent of realism ....

'Mags' was INDEED 'awesome' ... though, ironically, what helps prove that is a quality you say you disapprove of. You are in the ridiculous situation of disapproving of the methodology she adopted, whilst still heaping praise on her ....

Which means just one thing.

YOU CANNOT BE FOR REAL. You see 'Conservatism' through the distorting lens of Left-wing thought processes and cannot escape, nor even properly comprehend, the nature of that failing.

-- Now -- are you going to STOP hijacking this thread ?????!?

[fj1200]

That I would want to argue in defence of big Government is a fiction of your own creation.

... 'big Government' decision-making is necessary. It simply is.

- Now -- are you going to STOP hijacking this thread ?????!?

Do you need the quotes again? Perhaps you could explain how in British Bizarro World that you defending Big Government is the same as Small Government. You know what? Nevermind because you would look even more foolish if that is possible. On this side of the pond you would be derided as a RINO and rightfully so.

Now, one more time. Point out my big government leftie positions you moron.

[Drummond]

Do you need the quotes again? Perhaps you could explain how in British Bizarro World that you defending Big Government is the same as Small Government. You know what? Nevermind because you would look even more foolish if that is possible. On this side of the pond you would be derided as a RINO and rightfully so.

Now, one more time. Point out my big government leftie positions you moron.

Evidently, asking you to stop hijacking this thread was a waste of time. Now, why am I not surprised ? .. H'm .. ??

I haven't said that Big Government is the same as Small Government - that's just some trolling fiction from you. What I HAVE said - please pay attention this time !! - is that pragmatism has its place in Conservative Government, that on occasions that very pragmatism calls for decisions that can't be other than Big Government ones.

Kindly explain how Margaret Thatcher qualifies as a 'RINO' (because she must, if I accept your premise) ....

Taking on Unions, as she did, via legislation. Section 28 - and more besides, already listed. All of it 'Big Government', all of it entered into by Lady Thatcher without any hesitation. And David Cameron has praised this, and other displays of her pragmatism, as the Conservative PRIME MINISTER that he is. But you reject all of this evidence .. and, for why ?

Because ....... you are a LEFTIE. Lefties attack Conservatives - so do you. Not least here, on this forum .... and on a daily basis.

You want to see terrorists in the kindliest way imaginable. So do Lefties (... led by Jimmy Carter ?).

You say 'BO sucks', yet, whenever any thread makes a strong argument for his impeachment (for example) ... I've never seen you lend support to any such argument.

Now recently, you've even shown disapproval of Lady Thatcher's own style of Conservative leadership. Tut decidedly tut ....

You dripfeed evidence of your Leftieism a little at a time, but over time, IT DOES SURFACE.

So it will continue to ....

.... won't it ...... LEFTIE ......

Now, I'll ask AGAIN - STOP HIJACKING THIS THREAD ....

[fj1200]

Evidently, I'm an moron who can't answer questions...

Well, you're kind of a hypocrite so I don't particularly care what you ask. You're also not very good at answering questions except to reference the failure that is your imagination. Besides, I called YOU a RINO because you reject small government and defend big government.

And how many times have I told you that I don't "attack conservatives"? I do however point out where people's arguments may be wrong and you and your idiot knucklehead friends are wrong aplenty. As to your impeachment prattle; hardly ever is a strong argument made and when one may be made it's buried under scores of stupid arguments. I'm sorry that you don't understand what I've told you repeatedly.

Torture? Here's someone who was out front of Jimmy:

Recently, especially in Asia, some governments have urged that the standards of Human Rights laid down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights attached to the UN Charter, are Western and therefore not suitable for Asia and parts of the Third World whose cultures and circumstances are different. But the dispositions of human nature are the same everywhere—the affection of mother for child, the wish to do better for the family, the desire of the child to please, the recognition of courage and heroism, and the suffering and torture are felt the same by all human beings. Further, I have no difficulty in accepting the view that human nature is naturally endowed with a moral sense and a disposition (albeit if sometimes fragile) to make moral judgements. It's not only Western man who is created in God's image.

And of course:

... she instinctively knew that complicity with torture was an affront to everything that Britain stands for – above all, our respect for tolerance, decency and the rule of law.

[Drummond]

Well, you're kind of a hypocrite so I don't particularly care what you ask. You're also not very good at answering questions except to reference the failure that is your imagination. Besides, I called YOU a RINO because you reject small government and defend big government.

And how many times have I told you that I don't "attack conservatives"? I do however point out where people's arguments may be wrong and you and your idiot knucklehead friends are wrong aplenty. As to your impeachment prattle; hardly ever is a strong argument made and when one may be made it's buried under scores of stupid arguments. I'm sorry that you don't understand what I've told you repeatedly.

Torture? Here's someone who was out front of Jimmy:



And of course:

STILL hijacking, I see. It takes a committed troll to so completely defy requests to stop doing so.

And if you find you can't resist the troll trick of rewriting someone else's post, at least try to be grammatically correct about it ! 'I'm AN moron', was your semi-literate rewrite ! Pathetic ...

Corrections are due from your last post. Firstly, and as I've made clear, I do not 'reject' small Government. I simply say that, as any pragmatist (e.g Margaret Thatcher) would have told you, small Government isn't the answer to every political problem out there. On occasions, an alternative must be employed.

That's simply how it is. Margaret understood it. You, as the ex-'Ultimate Thatcherite', if genuine as one (which you're NOT, of course) should as well.

Secondly .. your claim that you don't attack Conservatives is arguably your most blatant lie of them all. You seemingly never STOP doing so. And so much so that any elaboration on that is surely unnecessary to anyone who ever reads your stuff.

I note your defence of your anti-impeachment line. There are Conservatives here - yes, those you are also pleased to attack - who would, indeed have, been in strong disagreement with you on that score.

But then, for someone who 'sucks', you do defend that character when the chips are really down.

I note your need to quote from a non-Western source to criticise UN human rights standards. This in answer to the torture issue ?

And consider this: terrorists do their own torturing. You seem to have overlooked that in your ongoing zeal to identify with them.

So when Lady Thatcher rejected complicity with torture - and that, note, ON LAW AND ORDER GROUNDS - could it also be said that she was, in no small measure, being anti-terrorist when taking that line ?

[She was no friend of the IRA. She made one of her 'Big Government' decisions in banning terrorist soundtracks from being aired, remember.]

On anything and everything else ...... perhaps my best and most appropriate response, to the extent you even deserve one ....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

STILL hijacking, I see. It takes a committed troll to so completely defy requests to stop doing so.

And if you find you can't resist the troll trick of rewriting someone else's post, at least try to be grammatically correct about it ! 'I'm AN moron', was your semi-literate rewrite ! Pathetic ...

Corrections are due from your last post. Firstly, and as I've made clear, I do not 'reject' small Government. I simply say that, as any pragmatist (e.g Margaret Thatcher) would have told you, small Government isn't the answer to every political problem out there. On occasions, an alternative must be employed.

That's simply how it is. Margaret understood it. You, as the ex-'Ultimate Thatcherite', if genuine as one (which you're NOT, of course) should as well.

Secondly .. your claim that you don't attack Conservatives is arguably your most blatant lie of them all. You seemingly never STOP doing so. And so much so that any elaboration on that is surely unnecessary to anyone who ever reads your stuff.

I note your defence of your anti-impeachment line. There are Conservatives here - yes, those you are also pleased to attack - who would, indeed have, been in strong disagreement with you on that score.

But then, for someone who 'sucks', you do defend that character when the chips are really down.

I note your need to quote from a non-Western source to criticise UN human rights standards. This in answer to the torture issue ?

And consider this: terrorists do their own torturing. You seem to have overlooked that in your ongoing zeal to identify with them.

So when Lady Thatcher rejected complicity with torture - and that, note, ON LAW AND ORDER GROUNDS - could it also be said that she was, in no small measure, being anti-terrorist when taking that line ?

[She was no friend of the IRA. She made one of her 'Big Government' decisions in banning terrorist soundtracks from being aired, remember.]

On anything and everything else ...... perhaps my best and most appropriate response, to the extent you even deserve one ....

Thanks, Justin wants to add a couple too.




Now off to school he goes, daycare first then school.

He says thank Jim for adding his smilies.. -Tyr

[Drummond]

Thanks, Justin wants to add a couple too.




Now off to school he goes, daycare first then school.

He says thank Jim for adding his smilies.. -Tyr

Thank Justin for me, Tyr, for raising the quality of this thread !!

[fj1200]

Only an idiot like you complains about hijacking and trolling and then goes on to make the posts that you do. But thank you for pointing out my grammatical error. I had started with idiot but changed it to moron for continuity sake and didn't make the appropriate correction. But awesome grammar nazi impersonation; good on ya. But let's see what idiocy you've made in denying conservatism and personifying hypocrisy; appropriate corrections for truth included.

STILL hijacking, I AM ... a committed troll ...

... small Government isn't the answer to every political problem out there. On occasions, an alternative must be employed.

... your claim that you don't attack Conservatives is arguably your most blatant lie of them all. You seemingly never STOP doing so.

... your anti-impeachment line.

But then, for someone who 'sucks', you do defend that character when the chips are really down.

I note your need to quote from a non-Western source to criticise UN human rights standards. This in answer to the torture issue ?

And consider this: terrorists do their own torturing. You seem to have overlooked that in your ongoing zeal to identify with them.

So when Lady Thatcher rejected complicity with torture - and that, note, ON LAW AND ORDER GROUNDS - could it also be said that she was, in no small measure, being anti-terrorist when taking that line ?

Yes, you've hijacked and continue to troll by rehashing all of your ignorant claims...
I've rarely see you argue FOR small government and scores of posts arguing FOR big government. But that's why I identified you as a hack many moon ago.
I "attack" idiots, some of whom claim to be conservative when are actually "conservative."
Kathianne holds the same view that it would be a bad political decision to pursue impeachment now. Is she a leftie?
Saying BO sucks is defending him? Man you dumb.

And in regards to the torture bit. Do you not know Margaret Thatcher's own words? Because that is laughable coming from someone who claims to be a "Thatcherite." You don't even know what that means But I'm sure you'll continue to lie like the hypocritical moron that you are and claim that I'm "identifying" with terrorists and "defending" them and all that rot but the truth is that you are an idiot of the highest order and no friend to conservatism ANYWHERE. You know nothing of truth.

If you are the last line of defense for conservatism across the pond then conservatives are surely screwed over there because you don't know the first thing about it.

[fj1200]

...small Government isn't the answer to every political problem out there. On occasions, an alternative must be employed.

Do tell. Conservatives everywhere are listening.

[Drummond]

Only an idiot like you complains about hijacking and trolling and then goes on to make the posts that you do.

... h'm.

You know what ? You may actually have something of a point. I really MUST be an idiot, for giving your trolling the time of day.

After all, yet AGAIN, you're indulging in thread hijacking. Not one word in your latest post about Ebola. AGAIN.

But thank you for pointing out my grammatical error.

You're most welcome.

I had started with idiot but changed it to moron for continuity sake and didn't make the appropriate correction.

.... proving WHO to be the real idiot ?

I've rarely see you argue FOR small government and scores of posts arguing FOR big government.

As this thread proves, I've argued for pragmatism and its place in Conservative Government, showing you in the process how willing Margaret was to employ such methods. As a result, some of her methods were Big Government in nature.

You avoid the obvious truth this leads to ... because you just prefer to launch your trolling attacks here, instead.

I "attack" idiots, some of whom claim to be conservative when are actually "conservative."

If you're being consistent, your attacks should therefore be aimed at Margaret Thatcher, since I've shown you the extent of her own culpability, in 'Big Government' terms. But then, Margaret fails to be any form of target capable of reacting to your trolling rot ... eh, FJ ?

And you do love to have an actual audience ... to attack .....

Saying BO sucks is defending him?

You say what it suits you to say at any one moment. Consistency is NOT your strong point.

Another of your 'sucks' statements has been to say 'austerity sucks'. Now, on the thread(s) where you said that, you were going all-out to attack Conservatives in the UK who dared to apply a highly successful remedy to our financial ills, which YOU strongly disapproved of.

Why ? Because you're a CONSERVATIVE, supporting CONSERVATIVES .... ? Hardly, FJ.

And in regards to the torture bit. Do you not know Margaret Thatcher's own words? Because that is laughable coming from someone who claims to be a "Thatcherite."

...ahem !!! I can say EXACTLY that, to YOU.

I've looked at your link .... which, of course, predates 9/11 and everything following by a great margin. So, tell me ... where does terrorism get a mention .. AT ALL ??

As for 'torture' ... here's what your link says:

Recently, especially in Asia, some governments have urged that the standards of Human Rights laid down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights attached to the UN Charter, are Western and therefore not suitable for Asia and parts of the Third World whose cultures and circumstances are different. But the dispositions of human nature are the same everywhere—the affection of mother for child, the wish to do better for the family, the desire of the child to please, the recognition of courage and heroism, and the suffering and torture are felt the same by all human beings. Further, I have no difficulty in accepting the view that human nature is naturally endowed with a moral sense and a disposition (albeit if sometimes fragile) to make moral judgements. It's not only Western man who is created in God's image.

.... which is what YOU added in post #82, of course. But naturally, you omitted to place this within its NON terrorist context.

The date of this speech from Margaret ? 20th September, 1993 ... and what has the world seen, since ?

Something which MARGARET WOULD HAVE HAD NO MODERN-DAY EXPERIENCE OF.

I'm tired of answering your troll rubbish, so I'll conclude quickly. I cannot claim, nor do I, that you have any actual, REAL understanding of terrorists. Naturally not, since you - as your pal Jimmy C would do, at every opportunity - would argue that they are 'HUMAN BEINGS', deserving of HUMAN RIGHTS.

Now, what LEFTIE would disagree with that, FJ ?

After all - YOU don't .....

No, you just defend them in that way. You have, on multiple threads. It's The Leftie Thing To Do, after all .....

[Drummond]

Do tell. Conservatives everywhere are listening.

Those Conservatives need only examine Margaret Thatcher's record, and make their own judgments from such a review. Then reflect on how very successful a CONSERVATIVE she was.

They may then reflect on your inexplicable position, both supportive, yet also simultaneously dismissive, of her achievements ... rather as a Leftie would be, if said Leftie had presented bogus bona fides to a discussion forum ...

[fj1200]

... h'm.

You know what ? You may actually have something of a point. I really MUST be an idiot, for giving your trolling the time of day.

After all, yet AGAIN, you're indulging in thread hijacking. Not one word in your latest post about Ebola. AGAIN.

It's a start anyway. And you made this thread about your imagination loooooooooooonnnnnnnggggg ago.

You're most welcome.

.... proving WHO to be the real idiot ?

The hypocritical grammar nazi of course.

As this thread proves, I've argued for pragmatism and its place in Conservative Government, showing you in the process how willing Margaret was to employ such methods. As a result, some of her methods were Big Government in nature.

You avoid the obvious truth this leads to ... because you just prefer to launch your trolling attacks here, instead.

There's pragmatism and there's conservatism. Pragmatism is not conservatism. And there is of course you defending Big Government. Repeatedly.

If you're being consistent, your attacks should therefore be aimed at Margaret Thatcher, since I've shown you the extent of her own culpability, in 'Big Government' terms. But then, Margaret fails to be any form of target capable of reacting to your trolling rot ... eh, FJ ?

And you do love to have an actual audience ... to attack .....

A. She's not with us anymore, and 2. She has not proven herself to be an idiot as have you. Of course she would also not be seeing through your imagination.

You say what it suits you to say at any one moment. Consistency is NOT your strong point.

I say it all the time.

...ahem !!! I can say EXACTLY that, to YOU.

I've looked at your link .... which, of course, predates 9/11 and everything following by a great margin. So, tell me ... where does terrorism get a mention .. AT ALL ??

As for 'torture' ... here's what your link says:

We can all agree that terrorism is bad m'kay which leaves the response to terrorists which you can only respond with is torture. And since you were utterly unaware of what Mags says about it that leaves your "Thatcherite" status as questionable.

.... which is what YOU added in post #82, of course. But naturally, you omitted to place this within its NON terrorist context.

The date of this speech from Margaret ? 20th September, 1993 ... and what has the world seen, since ?

Something which MARGARET WOULD HAVE HAD NO MODERN-DAY EXPERIENCE OF.

I'm tired of answering your troll rubbish, so I'll conclude quickly. I cannot claim, nor do I, that you have any actual, REAL understanding of terrorists. Naturally not, since you - as your pal Jimmy C would do, at every opportunity - would argue that they are 'HUMAN BEINGS', deserving of HUMAN RIGHTS.

Now, what LEFTIE would disagree with that, FJ ?

After all - YOU don't .....

No, you just defend them in that way. You have, on multiple threads. It's The Leftie Thing To Do, after all .....

Which of course leaves your response above which can only be translated that you think Margaret Thatcher is malleable. You can't say that she had no experience with terror responses because you've already pointed out her IRA decisions so what is left? What is left is you disagreeing with Mags' very words. Mags and Jimmy C. together on the leftie front.

It sucks to be you debate toy.