If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
And, that makes it alright to screw our military personnel?
Working for the same company your entire career does not even equate to a soldier willing to give his life for you. I think anyone who is willing to give their life ... military, law enforcement and firemen deserve to be well compensated.... way more than the average government worker.
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
This is nothing new....back in the Vietnam days they would rift majors to an enlisted soldier. I went thru the drawdown in the 90s that was planned by the bush administration and executed under Clinton......many NCOs were getting QMP'd. They chose the ones with bad stuff in their records ....and 6 months prior...they warned all of us to get stuff out of our records if we could and warned us of the cuts.
As far as this captain...how could have almost 20 years or so and still be a captain? Most good officers make that rank in 5 years or less. No doubt he was not cream of the crop. He may not have done anything wrong but its obvious he wasn't a stellar officer either. Officers have a very tough rating system. Its unfortunate they bounced him back to his last enlisted rank but that happens to enlisted too. An E-8 has to have at least 2 years at that rank before he can retire as one.
Its never a good time for anyone to serve thru a downsizing.
In a sane society, we would keep all the rank and file soldiers and eliminate 50 percent of the Pentagon beaucracy. But that is not how business or government work. They overpay the excessive dead wood and cut from the lesser compensated bottom.
If you need to cut the budget, you have to cut all areas. The military has as much dead wood as anywhere. We have too many outdated weapons programs and too many unnecessary military installations. But no one wants to have their cash cow sacrificed.
I find it intriguing that the upper echelons of society are OK with sacrificing jobs to allow companies to move overseas in search of greater profits, but they want to see any piece of the military eliminated.
If it's not necessary, you get rid of it. Like I said before, members of the military are more hireable than many other occupations because they are taught vital skills.
In a sane, non-Obama society, you would keep and maintain the trained, experienced, seasoned Leaders for those Rank, and File soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen. Like Obama's administration. Without a leader, we have near Mob Rule, that hinges on Anarchy. Just look at what is taking place in the streets of major cities today. AL SHARPTON is pretending to be IN CHARGE, while Obama tells everybody to KEEP FIGHTING against laws Not even He will follow.
I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
So, this is for them.
GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !
^^^^^^^^^^^ HOW ABOUT SOME LINKED SOURCES TO VERY THE FACTS AND STATS YOU JUST CLAIMED IN THAT STATEMENT, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT IT WAS PLANNED BY BUSH AND THEN EXECUTED BY CLINTON.I went thru the drawdown in the 90s that was planned by the bush administration and executed under Clinton......many NCOs were getting QMP'd.
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^^^ Subject is not whether he was a "good" captain since no evidence has been presented that only bad officers are being reduced in rank or canned. The Obama purge is not about improving quality, it is about saving money and thus weakening our military.-TyrAs far as this captain...how could have almost 20 years or so and still be a captain?
18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
[QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;716171]^^^^^^^^^^^ HOW ABOUT SOME LINKED SOURCES TO VERIFY THE FACTS AND STATS YOU JUST CLAIMED IN THAT STATEMENT, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT IT WAS PLANNED BY BUSH AND THEN EXECUTED BY CLINTON.
hmmmmmm....
^^^ Subject is not whether he was a "good" captain since no evidence has been presented that only bad officers are being reduced in rank or canned. The Obama purge is not about improving quality, it is about saving money and thus weakening our military.-Tyr
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18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...ion/2013/05/08With the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War, the Army once again reduced its size during the early 1990s, going from 780,000 soldiers to 480,000.
Active Duty Military Personnel, 1940–20111
Year Army Air Force Navy Marine Corps Total 1940 269,023 160,997 28,345 458,365 1945 8,266,373 3,319,586 469,925 12,055,884 1950 593,167 411,277 380,739 74,279 1,459,462 1955 1,109,296 959,946 660,695 205,170 2,935,107 1960 873,078 814,752 616,987 170,621 2,475,438 1965 969,066 824,662 669,985 190,213 2,653,926 1970 1,322,548 791,349 691,126 259,737 3,064,760 1975 784,333 612,751 535,085 195,951 2,128,120 1980 777,036 557,969 527,153 188,469 2,050,627 1985 780,787 601,515 570,705 198,025 2,151,032 1990 732,403 535,233 579,417 196,652 2,043,705 1991 710,821 510,432 570,262 194,040 1,985,555 1992 610,450 470,315 541,886 184,529 1,807,177 1993 572,423 444,351 509,950 178,379 1,705,103 1994 541,343 426,327 468,662 174,158 1,610,490 1995 508,559 400,409 434,617 174,639 1,518,224 1996 491,103 389,001 416,735 174,883 1,471,722 1997 491,707 377,385 395,564 173,906 1,438,562 1998 483,880 367,470 382,338 173,142 1,406,830 1999 479,426 360,590 373,046 172,641 1,385,703 2000 482,170 355,654 373,193 173,321 1,384,338
Read more: Active Duty Military Personnel, 1940–2011 | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A00045...#ixzz3KNG3aX1S
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
Posted as you miss the main point. The military purge bambastard is doing is getting rid of highly trained and more importantly experience military officers. Those officers took many years and even decades to reach that level--they can not be replaced in a one or two year rush , even if we had that much time in a major World War type breakout--which we would not!!
Think first 6 months of ww2 , we were caught with our pants down and our collective asses hanging out to be kicked.
And that sad state of affairs was because of thinking like Obama/crew espouse and implement.
That you show past stages where liberal idiots got their way and downsized plus ill equipped our military means nothing .
Nobody ever said its never been down before!
And I asked a question of another member where he got his facts and to give specifics, you trot out this which only proves the ffing mistake has been made before!
Hell, I myself point that out as a reason its a mistake and I use the WW2 EXAMPLE TO DO THAT.
His statement still stands to be proven with facts and specifics directly relating to the totality of his statement.
Perhaps let him try to explain /answer directly for his own words.......
Your presentation merely proves previous follies.....-Tyr
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18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
We have the largest, best trained and best equipped military in the world. If we it by a third, we would still have same.
Like pretty much everything in the government, the Pentagon has a huge amount of unnecessary fat.
You people complain endlessly about budget surplus and excessive government spending, then you want more of the same.
Yeah, I know, cut everything except where I am.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
Yes, TRUTH never changes..
You obviously have a problem with that reality!
That you can not remake it frustrates you so you belittle others that deal in it..
Which is entirely your problem not any of mine.
Well, except when it leads you to make grossly mistaken and silly comments...Tyr
18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
I 'wonder why' it is that Lefties consistently offer up arguments for greater military weakness ? Why they're so intent upon cutting back on the means to ensure a nation's security ?
Regardless of the fact that the US military is 'so large' .. it's also a fact that the world has seen, and has HAD to see it deployed in substantial numbers in multiples of trouble spots. Gabby, even if you think you see that your military is too large for your current needs, you cannot possibly know what your FUTURE needs will be.
We know that there are many terrorist groups in the world, for example. What if they work to destabilise Governments, creating Failed States, from which repetitions of 2001's Afghanistan could be established ? Would a weaker military make it a lot harder to resist, or fix, such scenarios ?
It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
Its the old- "head in the sand syndrome". fj seems to have it too. Reality is a beast to be denied.
While Russia and China both ramp up their militaries we are cutting ours and demoralizing it too. Never think bamscum does this for no deeply planned reason. He is doing so to weaken/lesson our world influence.
He longs for the day that we as a nation must beg socialist nations to let us trade, our even protect our own interests not only overseas but here as well!
We must be degraded to the point we are so weak that renounce our sovereignty and void our Constitution--that's the globalist plan-- the ffing bamscum is a globalist puppet engaged in treason daily. Fact.. -Tyr
18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.