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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sir Drummond. Risking repeating myself here. fj can't help it. You will never convince him about anything. His Obama mind slows down his fj butt.

-Tyr

[fj1200]

-Tyr

So you let the banana do your fighting for you?

[Drummond]

Was there anything in that post that didn't prove you to be a lying sack? Because you are one dumb-ass idiot. And a hypocrite to boot. Your failure is already detailed in the previously mentioned thread... and all the other threads that you ran away from.

Pure blather, and clear evidence that you prefer propagandist stances to realism.

FACT - our Austerity programme has NOT been abandoned, and its continuation will be a cornerstone of the Conservative strategy after their successful election in a couple of months' time.

FACT - we're doing particularly well in the EU collection of Nation States. The UK is light years away from Greece's fiscal meltdown.

FACT - tax relaxations of any description result in a loss of revenue. This, if it's to be attempted (I wonder how many times I must state the obvious ??) HAS TO BE AFFORDED. If it's not, then you create a black hole in the economy that will have its own dire consequences to any comparatively weak economy.

We're a couple of months away from a General Election. That political Parties will indulge in measures designed to win them votes is pretty much a 'given'. From now until the next Parliament, the conduct of every Party needs to be viewed with this firmly in mind.

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. Risking repeating myself here. fj can't help it. You will never convince him about anything. His Obama mind slows down his fj butt.

So very true, Aboutime !!

[fj1200]

More proof you can't read what I post because you're a complete moron who posts based on what his ignorant imagination tells him.

Pure blather, and clear evidence that you prefer propagandist stances to realism.

FACT - our Austerity programme has NOT been abandoned, and its continuation will be a cornerstone of the Conservative strategy after their successful election in a couple of months' time.

FACT - we're doing particularly well in the EU collection of Nation States. The UK is light years away from Greece's fiscal meltdown.

FACT - tax relaxations of any description result in a loss of revenue. This, if it's to be attempted (I wonder how many times I must state the obvious ??) HAS TO BE AFFORDED. If it's not, then you create a black hole in the economy that will have its own dire consequences to any comparatively weak economy.

We're a couple of months away from a General Election. That political Parties will indulge in measures designed to win them votes is pretty much a 'given'. From now until the next Parliament, the conduct of every Party needs to be viewed with this firmly in mind.

Pay attention this time you idiot.

MYTH - Osborne cut taxes in '12 which is the abandonment of austerity as I defined it. If you want to have a separate definition go right ahead but it would be helpful if you'd stop being a lying sack.

FACT - Because of tax cuts and abandoning austerity as I defined it. Good on ya Osborne.

MYTH - I can demonstrate ad nauseum that tax rates do not determine tax revenues in the United States, I'm pretty sure economics is similar across the pond even if idiots like you do not know what conservatism is.

I hope the conservatives win and are successful in passing true conservative principles in the UK. Along with a whole mess of tax cuts.

[Drummond]

More proof you can't read what I post because you're a complete moron who posts based on what his ignorant imagination tells him.



Pay attention this time you idiot.

MYTH - Osborne cut taxes in '12 which is the abandonment of austerity as I defined it. If you want to have a separate definition go right ahead but it would be helpful if you'd stop being a lying sack.

FACT - Because of tax cuts and abandoning austerity as I defined it. Good on ya Osborne.

MYTH - I can demonstrate ad nauseum that tax rates do not determine tax revenues in the United States, I'm pretty sure economics is similar across the pond even if idiots like you do not know what conservatism is.

I hope the conservatives win and are successful in passing true conservative principles in the UK. Along with a whole mess of tax cuts.

Why would I care less about how YOU define 'austerity' ? I much prefer dealing with the truth of the matter, which involves our own Government's application of it, according to what they view its requirements to be.

Austerity measures have been applied throughout the lifetime of this current Government, and neither HAVE been, nor WILL be, abandoned to fit in with YOUR preferred variation of what YOU think they should be (!!!!). If you want to imagine the abandonment of such a programme, you are in a minority of one in that.

As for your 'myth', theoretically you might have a point. After all, a high taxation rate might only be incurred by a very few (.. for example). Nonetheless, HERE, it's a well known fact that tax hikes that mean a damn will be those which the vast majority of the taxpaying population pay. Osborne will naturally have his chief focus on that group if he's to do anything meaningful for the economy, or his own Party's fortunes .. be it tax hike, or tax reduction.

As for your 'hope' that the Conservatives win here ... naturally I don't believe a word of it. Were our Conservatives to behave as YOU want them to, they'd be immediately attacked by the media and their opposition alike for suddenly behaving fiscally irresponsibly, and in defiance of established policy. Abandoning austerity measures before our recovery is complete and consolidated by a strong trading and manufacturing base (to say nothing for trading fears, stoked up on the back of a possible 'no' vote in a promised referendum on EU membership) would be tantamount to committing political suicide .. which, of course, is your REAL wish for them.

Be honest and admit as much - LEFTIE.

[aboutime]

Why would I care less about how YOU define 'austerity' ? I much prefer dealing with the truth of the matter, which involves our own Government's application of it, according to what they view its requirements to be.

Austerity measures have been applied throughout the lifetime of this current Government, and neither HAVE been, nor WILL be, abandoned to fit in with YOUR preferred variation of what YOU think they should be (!!!!). If you want to imagine the abandonment of such a programme, you are in a minority of one in that.

As for your 'myth', theoretically you might have a point. After all, a high taxation rate might only be incurred by a very few (.. for example). Nonetheless, HERE, it's a well known fact that tax hikes that mean a damn will be those which the vast majority of the taxpaying population pay. Osborne will naturally have his chief focus on that group if he's to do anything meaningful for the economy, or his own Party's fortunes .. be it tax hike, or tax reduction.

As for your 'hope' that the Conservatives win here ... naturally I don't believe a word of it. Were our Conservatives to behave as YOU want them to, they'd be immediately attacked by the media and their opposition alike for suddenly behaving fiscally irresponsibly, and in defiance of established policy. Abandoning austerity measures before our recovery is complete and consolidated by a strong trading and manufacturing base (to say nothing for trading fears, stoked up on the back of a possible 'no' vote in a promised referendum on EU membership) would be tantamount to committing political suicide .. which, of course, is your REAL wish for them.

Be honest and admit as much - LEFTIE.

Sir Drummond. This stuff with fj has gotten old. Every time I see one of his posts. It instantly reminds me how terribly miserable his lonely life must be. Always feeling so much more superior to everyone else by lowering his invisible standards of humanity (of which there are none) by instantly using the name calling, liberal techniques only DNC(Democrat national comm) wannabe members have been brainwashed, and convinced to always use to distract, and redirect attention from their perpetual ignorance.

[fj1200]

Why would I care less about how YOU define 'austerity' ?

Austerity measures have been applied throughout the lifetime of this current Government, and neither HAVE been, nor WILL be, abandoned to fit in with YOUR preferred variation of what YOU think they should be (!!!!).

As for your 'myth', theoretically you might have a point. After all, a high taxation rate might only be incurred by a very few (.. for example). Nonetheless, HERE, it's a well known fact that tax hikes that mean a damn will be those which the vast majority of the taxpaying population pay. Osborne will naturally have his chief focus on that group if he's to do anything meaningful for the economy, or his own Party's fortunes .. be it tax hike, or tax reduction.

As for your 'hope' that the Conservatives win here ... naturally I don't believe a word of it. .. which, of course, is your REAL wish for them.

Be honest and admit as much - LEFTIE.

More proof that you are one stupid idiot. Thinking, educated, rational people define terms so that everyone knows what is being discussed. Morons like you ignore anything that doesn't gibe with your imagination and allows you to rant like a loon.

Austerity prior to tax cuts wasn't working, austerity' after tax cuts was working. It all works so well to prove out what I am trying to tell you. If you weren't such a prattling fool you'd recognize the difference.

There is no myth that tax cuts spur investment. I'd prove it to you but I'm pretty sure that your so beholden to your incredible naivete that it would be pointless. I can show you graphs, numbers, you name it to prove my point. But I'm pretty sure that you would be to damn prideful to be able to look at the issues with a hint of rational thought. You would just continue to whine like a moron with your head in the sand.

I own you in any sort of rational debate because when all is said and done you have nothing left but to scream, "aack leftie!" like a mindless drone. But please give us more defenses against tax cuts that sound like our domestic Democrats. See, your knucklehead friends are no friends at all to you because they leave you hanging to twist in the wind and look like a fool. But never fear though, I'm sure the banana will come to your aid... which is rather sad for you isn't it?

[aboutime]

More proof that you are one stupid idiot. Thinking, educated, rational people define terms so that everyone knows what is being discussed. Morons like you ignore anything that doesn't gibe with your imagination and allows you to rant like a loon.

Austerity prior to tax cuts wasn't working, austerity' after tax cuts was working. It all works so well to prove out what I am trying to tell you. If you weren't such a prattling fool you'd recognize the difference.

There is no myth that tax cuts spur investment. I'd prove it to you but I'm pretty sure that your so beholden to your incredible naivete that it would be pointless. I can show you graphs, numbers, you name it to prove my point. But I'm pretty sure that you would be to damn prideful to be able to look at the issues with a hint of rational thought. You would just continue to whine like a moron with your head in the sand.

I own you in any sort of rational debate because when all is said and done you have nothing left but to scream, "aack leftie!" like a mindless drone. But please give us more defenses against tax cuts that sound like our domestic Democrats. See, your knucklehead friends are no friends at all to you because they leave you hanging to twist in the wind and look like a fool. But never fear though, I'm sure the banana will come to your aid... which is rather sad for you isn't it?

Thanking fj for proving, once again. How threatened he is by hearing the truth.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thanking fj for proving, once again. How threatened he is by hearing the truth.

Careful now my friend. The fj thinks you are a banana!

Do not interfere in his fruit fantasy, you know how those fruity guys get.. -Tyr

[fj1200]

Hiding behind the banana again?

And you do know that your idiot friend makes Democrat arguments don't you?

[Drummond]

Hiding behind the banana again?

And you do know that your idiot friend makes Democrat arguments don't you?

... sorry ... WHAT ?

You profess to be Tyr's friend ?

FJ ... YOU are the one who has long since been arguing an 'anti-austerity' line. This is fully in agreement with the BRITISH LABOUR PARTY'S argumentation on the subject, who've fought the Coalition programme consistently since its inception.

This is despite the well-known fact that it was Labour's reckless irresponsibility which made our economy so unfit to weather the financial storm circa 2008.

Conservative realists have been administering some highly unpleasant, BUT ENTIRELY NECESSARY, medicine to cure our ills. The extent of Labour's damage have made it a very difficult task. But, realistic remedies, though needing much time to work, DO win through if given enough of a chance.

It is the application of that remedy over a period of years which has succeeded, and IS succeeding.

You think that tax cuts created the success ? What ... with such a sudden effect ?? It takes YEARS to have solutions feed through to have their desired effect. If we believed you, though, we'd all believe that fiscal miracles happen within a nearly instantaneous timeframe .....

No, FJ .. be honest. You attacked British Conservatives, just BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU DO.

[fj1200]

... sorry ... WHAT ?

You are one stupid idiot and a liar to boot. I don't "attack" anyone. Pointing out that you have the same position as Democrats and RINOs is not attacking, it's pointing out truth. "Tax cuts need to be afforded." "Tax cuts won't do any good if everyone doesn't get it." I've just paraphrased you and Democrats.

You could also point out where I've posted "fully in agreement" with Labour and where I "attacked" British Conservatives. As I recall Labour's plan pretty much sucked.

[Drummond]

You are one stupid idiot and a liar to boot. I don't "attack" anyone. Pointing out that you have the same position as Democrats and RINOs is not attacking, it's pointing out truth. "Tax cuts need to be afforded." "Tax cuts won't do any good if everyone doesn't get it." I've just paraphrased you and Democrats.

You could also point out where I've posted "fully in agreement" with Labour and where I "attacked" British Conservatives. As I recall Labour's plan pretty much sucked.

This is getting to be so ridiculous that it's barely worth arguing any further.

This is one of many threads on DP which features your attacks on Conservatives !! Anyone reading your stuff couldn't reasonably conclude otherwise.

Tax cuts DO need to be afforded. It's truth, pure & simple. Reduce peoples' liability to taxation, and you reduce incoming revenue. Either that creates a black hole in the economy, OR, it's afforded by other means !!

A weak, recovering economy CANNOT afford such a 'black hole' .. !!!! What could be clearer, any more obvious ???? So, since Conservatives are realists (.. and in a manner which you, and our Labour Party, are evidently NOT ..) ... you refuse to recognise what's staring you in the face, which was - and is - that they'll do whatever it takes to fix a broken economy.

Unpleasant medicine doesn't cease to be medicine, because it's unpleasant ..

You have attacked their methodology. So has Labour. You, like them, argue for austerity's ending, when that CANNOT be afforded. You, like them, ignore fiscal realities and want to see money extracted from an economy REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT CAN BE AFFORDED.

Labour created our mess. Our Conservatives have worked to remedy that. You have ATTACKED them for their efforts.

And that's all I need say. You profess not to see eye-to-eye with our Socialists ? OK ... then stop siding with them.

[fj1200]

This is getting to be so ridiculous that it's barely worth arguing any further.

Yes, you failing to prove your lies is usually where you give up. This is where you are currently failing.

You could also point out where I've posted "fully in agreement" with Labour and where I "attacked" British Conservatives.

Rise to the challenge or admit your wrong. Or cop out; that's the usual outcome. Conservatives understand economics, you don't. What works? See Reagan in '81. See '94 Republican Congress. They didn't succumb to ridiculous "black hole"/must be afforded BS, they knew that to stimulate the economy tax cuts were the way to go.