".......Crime and punishment. How would you fix it?"

[LongTermGuy]

`..................if you were in charge of setting punishments for crime..............`


`..........How would you fix the corrections system in this country?`

`.......*What would you change in order to fix the problems of crime in this country?`

`.....*Why would you make those choices? `

`*You have a blank slate........... Go!`

[aboutime]

`..................if you were in charge of setting punishments for crime..............`


`..........How would you fix the corrections system in this country?`

`.......*What would you change in order to fix the problems of crime in this country?`

`.....*Why would you make those choices? `

`*You have a blank slate........... Go!`

LongTerm. Honestly. FIRST, we as a nation would need to replace Obama, Hillary, and anyone connected to them in any way. Our system of judicial corrections, punishment, and court proceedings have been BASTARDIZED by most all of WASHINGTON, D.C. people in power.
Until they are either removed, or sent to GITMO for Life. There is no real answer here.

[LongTermGuy]

LongTerm. Honestly. FIRST, we as a nation would need to replace Obama, Hillary, and anyone connected to them in any way. Our system of judicial corrections, punishment, and court proceedings have been BASTARDIZED by most all of WASHINGTON, D.C. people in power.
Until they are either removed, or sent to GITMO for Life. There is no real answer here.

Ya know aboutime....again you are correct....Yes the whole system is infected with Liberal scum...from Govt to military...there will be so much cleaning to do....I'm `Feeling` after the Plague has been removed...(Good Americans elected ) and Liberals gotten rid of...How would one in charge... change "fix things"...I understand it is a broad question with many of the little pesky facts left out...I guess one can answer in general though....
....Big problem right now I see is false accusations of racism against LEO`s for gain and a AGENDA for many on the left....mix in the sensitivity bullshit made possible by Liberalism....there was a time when people were afraid to commit a crime....now it seems some feel entitled to commit crime....showing no respect for law and order...it almost seems like some breed hood rats intentionally and never give them support to do right and be curtious .....when they get killed...the "he was a good boy" `theme` comes out along with the race card...*and then they (the breeders) get paid...and it starts all over again...we all hear about it and see it day after day almost...again...all this goes back to Liberalism....just like allowing muslims...who come here... ...who want to change things...and to use our laws against us...again for gain and for their movement...again Liberalism allows this to happen...just a few thoughts what seems to be obvious ....

[Gunny]

`..................if you were in charge of setting punishments for crime..............`


`..........How would you fix the corrections system in this country?`

`.......*What would you change in order to fix the problems of crime in this country?`

`.....*Why would you make those choices? `

`*You have a blank slate........... Go!`

The assumption that I have the power to fix this, I'm assuming I'm President. In which case, that recruiter goes back into the back of the courtroom. "Son, you can do time ... or you can do time".

Cuz if I'm President , we're going to need a whole lot of ground troops because I'm stopping some shit where it stands.

That ought to about take care of that prisoner problem.

[LongTermGuy]

The assumption that I have the power to fix this, I'm assuming I'm President. In which case, that recruiter goes back into the back of the courtroom. "Son, you can do time ... or you can do time".

Cuz if I'm President , we're going to need a whole lot of ground troops because I'm stopping some shit where it stands.

That ought to about take care of that prisoner problem.

`Say it Gunny...Thanks for input...good stuff! I like it some may not...but its ok...

[Jeff]

The assumption that I have the power to fix this, I'm assuming I'm President. In which case, that recruiter goes back into the back of the courtroom. "Son, you can do time ... or you can do time".

Cuz if I'm President , we're going to need a whole lot of ground troops because I'm stopping some shit where it stands.

That ought to about take care of that prisoner problem.

That is absolutely the way to deal with some crimes, we should also go back to the chain gang, make these prisoners work, our roads are filthy, let them clean them, let them cut grass and other things along the roadways. Now the more violent crimes also must be fixed, #1 stop giving those sentenced to death another 20 years to live, let them have one appeal and that is it. After their appeal let them know they will be executed within the next 6 months, let them think about what is coming . Kill some the night they are sentenced and others 3 months later and so on, mix it up so they never know when,keep their heads shaved and ready to go at anytime, let's face it thinking about it is the worst part of the punishment. Then I would televise the execution, let the would be killers and other violent scum see what is coming. With that said yes I would have the death penalty on the table for much more than just murder, child molester dies, rapist dies and so on, there are plenty of crimes that should end with the scum no longer being a issue for the rest of us.

[fj1200]

Cure the illness, not the symptoms.



The rise of the welfare state in the 1960s contributed greatly to the demise of the black family as a stable institution. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among African Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was prior to the War on Poverty. Children raised in fatherless homes are far more likely to grow up poor and to eventually engage in criminal behavior, than their peers who are raised in two-parent homes. In 2010, blacks (approximately 13% of the U.S. population) accounted for 48.7% of all arrests for homicide, 31.8% of arrests for forcible rape, 33.5% of arrests for aggravated assault, and 55% of arrests for robbery. Also as of 2010, the black poverty rate was 27.4% (about3 times higher than the white rate), meaning that 11.5 million blacks in the U.S. were living in poverty.


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/v...ry.asp?id=1672


A review of the empirical evidence in the professional literature of the social sciences gives policymakers an insight into the root causes of crime. Consider, for instance:

• Over the past thirty years, the rise in violent crime parallels the rise in families abandoned by fathers.
• High-crime neighborhoods are characterized by high concentrations of families abandoned by fathers.
• State-by-state analysis by Heritage scholars indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime.
• The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.
• The type of aggression and hostility demonstrated by a future criminal often is foreshadowed in unusual aggressiveness as early as age five or six.
• The future criminal tends to be an individual rejected by other children as early as the first grade who goes on to form his own group of friends, often the future delinquent gang.

On the other hand:

• Neighborhoods with a high degree of religious practice are not high-crime neighborhoods.
• Even in high-crime inner-city neighborhoods, well over 90 percent of children from safe, stable homes do not become delinquents. By contrast only 10 percent of children from unsafe, unstable homes in these neighborhoods avoid crime.
• Criminals capable of sustaining marriage gradually move away from a life of crime after they get married.
• The mother's strong affectionate attachment to her child is the child's best buffer against a life of crime.
• The father's authority and involvement in raising his children are also a great buffer against a life of crime.

The scholarly evidence, in short, suggests that at the heart of the explosion of crime in America is the loss of the capacity of fathers and mothers to be responsible in caring for the children they bring into the world. This loss of love and guidance at the intimate levels of marriage and family has broad social consequences for children and for the wider community. The empirical evidence shows that too many young men and women from broken families tend to have a much weaker sense of connection with their neighborhood and are prone to exploit its members to satisfy their unmet needs or desires. This contributes to a loss of a sense of community and to the disintegration of neighborhoods into social chaos and violent crime. If policymakers are to deal with the root causes of crime, therefore, they must deal with the rapid rise of illegitimacy.


http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-violent-crime


Teenagers tend to be low skilled. They lack the experience, knowledge and maturity of adults. That means they will be the primary victims of a minimum wage law. But why are black teens more heavily impacted than white teens? Black teens are far more likely to come from broken homes and attend some of the worst schools in the nation. Therefore, a law that discriminates against the employment of low-skilled workers will have a greater impact on black workers. Moreover, the minimum wage subsidizes racial discrimination. After all, if you must pay $7.25 an hour to whomever you hire, you might as well hire people you like the most, even if they are of identical skill.


http://www.creators.com/conservative...our-youth.html

[Jeff]

Cure the illness, not the symptoms.



The rise of the welfare state in the 1960s contributed greatly to the demise of the black family as a stable institution. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among African Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was prior to the War on Poverty. Children raised in fatherless homes are far more likely to grow up poor and to eventually engage in criminal behavior, than their peers who are raised in two-parent homes. In 2010, blacks (approximately 13% of the U.S. population) accounted for 48.7% of all arrests for homicide, 31.8% of arrests for forcible rape, 33.5% of arrests for aggravated assault, and 55% of arrests for robbery. Also as of 2010, the black poverty rate was 27.4% (about3 times higher than the white rate), meaning that 11.5 million blacks in the U.S. were living in poverty.


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/v...ry.asp?id=1672


A review of the empirical evidence in the professional literature of the social sciences gives policymakers an insight into the root causes of crime. Consider, for instance:

• Over the past thirty years, the rise in violent crime parallels the rise in families abandoned by fathers.
• High-crime neighborhoods are characterized by high concentrations of families abandoned by fathers.
• State-by-state analysis by Heritage scholars indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime.
• The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.
• The type of aggression and hostility demonstrated by a future criminal often is foreshadowed in unusual aggressiveness as early as age five or six.
• The future criminal tends to be an individual rejected by other children as early as the first grade who goes on to form his own group of friends, often the future delinquent gang.

On the other hand:

• Neighborhoods with a high degree of religious practice are not high-crime neighborhoods.
• Even in high-crime inner-city neighborhoods, well over 90 percent of children from safe, stable homes do not become delinquents. By contrast only 10 percent of children from unsafe, unstable homes in these neighborhoods avoid crime.
• Criminals capable of sustaining marriage gradually move away from a life of crime after they get married.
• The mother's strong affectionate attachment to her child is the child's best buffer against a life of crime.
• The father's authority and involvement in raising his children are also a great buffer against a life of crime.

The scholarly evidence, in short, suggests that at the heart of the explosion of crime in America is the loss of the capacity of fathers and mothers to be responsible in caring for the children they bring into the world. This loss of love and guidance at the intimate levels of marriage and family has broad social consequences for children and for the wider community. The empirical evidence shows that too many young men and women from broken families tend to have a much weaker sense of connection with their neighborhood and are prone to exploit its members to satisfy their unmet needs or desires. This contributes to a loss of a sense of community and to the disintegration of neighborhoods into social chaos and violent crime. If policymakers are to deal with the root causes of crime, therefore, they must deal with the rapid rise of illegitimacy.


http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-violent-crime


Teenagers tend to be low skilled. They lack the experience, knowledge and maturity of adults. That means they will be the primary victims of a minimum wage law. But why are black teens more heavily impacted than white teens? Black teens are far more likely to come from broken homes and attend some of the worst schools in the nation. Therefore, a law that discriminates against the employment of low-skilled workers will have a greater impact on black workers. Moreover, the minimum wage subsidizes racial discrimination. After all, if you must pay $7.25 an hour to whomever you hire, you might as well hire people you like the most, even if they are of identical skill.


http://www.creators.com/conservative...our-youth.html

I agree with everything you say fj, my issue is how do you fix it? In Newark NJ they rebuilt the project, made the new ones look beautiful, they opened them up as low income housing and as folks moved out of the old places they rebuilt them as well. Now Newark has two set of slums instead of one, some folks want to live that way. Again I agree in theory but if someone refuses to live the correct way and destroy the new they are given then you can't fix it. How goes the ols saying, Ya can't fix stupid.

[Gunny]

That is absolutely the way to deal with some crimes, we should also go back to the chain gang, make these prisoners work, our roads are filthy, let them clean them, let them cut grass and other things along the roadways. Now the more violent crimes also must be fixed, #1 stop giving those sentenced to death another 20 years to live, let them have one appeal and that is it. After their appeal let them know they will be executed within the next 6 months, let them think about what is coming . Kill some the night they are sentenced and others 3 months later and so on, mix it up so they never know when,keep their heads shaved and ready to go at anytime, let's face it thinking about it is the worst part of the punishment. Then I would televise the execution, let the would be killers and other violent scum see what is coming. With that said yes I would have the death penalty on the table for much more than just murder, child molester dies, rapist dies and so on, there are plenty of crimes that should end with the scum no longer being a issue for the rest of us.

We could overhaul a LOT of crap, and I'm as hard on criminals as it comes (wait for it ..........) BUT, I think the way prisoners are treated is appalling.

I'd rather be on a chain gang or put to death than locked down 23 hours a day. IMO, the gang culture has a LOT to do with what's wrong because they are PROUD of their prison tattoos. It gives them status. They're nothing but sociopaths that think if they want it, they just take it.

Dehumanizing them just ensures they are going to get out and be worse than ever. Trust me on this. You know what the difference between jail and deployment is? Not much. Six months at a time, in uniform while awake, shitty Navy food, stuck with the same people you learn to hate. And everyone wonders why Marines are such fierce warriors. Shit, by the time we get off that boat we want to kill everything.

Anyway, that environment plays with your head big time if you let it. My deployments definitely changed me, and not for the better.

As far as the death penalty goes, I'm all for it as long as there is 100% positive proof the person is guilty. If there is ANY doubt whatsoever, then life without parole. Too many wrongful convictions. You can always fix a wrongful conviction if the person's doing life. You can't bring them back from the dead if you already killed them.

I also don't like it being used as a political tool. Our justice system needs fixing as much as our penal system does.

Now, assume I'm doing life without parole. How are you going to make me work? You can't make me do shit. Lock me up 23 hours a day? And if that doesn't bother me, you can't do anything else.

[LongTermGuy]

[QUOTE=LongTermGuy;731859]

.....when they get killed...the "he was a good boy" `theme` comes out along with the race card...*and then they (the breeders) get paid...and it starts all over again...we all hear about it and see it day after day almost...again...all this goes back to Liberalism..

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"Family of black Ferguson teen killed by police to sue city"
`(Reuters) - The family of Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old killed in Ferguson last summer by a white police officer, filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the city on Thursday, seeking unspecified punitive damages, $75,000 in compensation and changes in policing.The civil lawsuit filed in St. Louis County, Missouri, names the city of Ferguson, former Police Chief Thomas Jackson and former police officer Darren Wilson as defendants.`
The suit calls for a court order prohibiting the use of police techniques "that demean, disregard, or underserve its African-American population".

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/04/2...id%3D870459741

[aboutime]

Ya know aboutime....again you are correct....Yes the whole system is infected with Liberal scum...from Govt to military...there will be so much cleaning to do....I'm `Feeling` after the Plague has been removed...(Good Americans elected ) and Liberals gotten rid of...How would one in charge... change "fix things"...I understand it is a broad question with many of the little pesky facts left out...I guess one can answer in general though....
....Big problem right now I see is false accusations of racism against LEO`s for gain and a AGENDA for many on the left....mix in the sensitivity bullshit made possible by Liberalism....there was a time when people were afraid to commit a crime....now it seems some feel entitled to commit crime....showing no respect for law and order...it almost seems like some breed hood rats intentionally and never give them support to do right and be curtious .....when they get killed...the "he was a good boy" `theme` comes out along with the race card...*and then they (the breeders) get paid...and it starts all over again...we all hear about it and see it day after day almost...again...all this goes back to Liberalism....just like allowing muslims...who come here... ...who want to change things...and to use our laws against us...again for gain and for their movement...again Liberalism allows this to happen...just a few thoughts what seems to be obvious ....

Thanks LongTerm. And, I realized after reading many of the posts here; how the crux, or major aspect of our problems in Our Society today that is so dependent upon Government is...The Real Lack of Proper Education for a large majority of the American people. LACK OF EDUCATION gets us more Socialism, and Uneducated, Wannabe leaders who win Political Office because they are always so able to FOOL, and IMPRESS the less educated with their supposed Knack of using Words, and Language that only Impresses the Uneducated who aren't intelligent enough to Question the Tricksters who call themselves Politicians.

My favorite example of this LACK of education is Congressman Johnson...of GUAM tipping fame.
Just think about how UNEDUCATED the Americans had to be to elect a Jerk like Johnson, and nobody should be able to question the LACK OF INTELLIGENCE, EDUCATION, or BRAIN POWER.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I would have two totally separate prison systems.



First conviction prisons-- Every prisoner works six 12 hour shifts a week unless truly unable/sick.
Only prisoners with ten year or less sentences. Nobody gets out in less than having served three quarters of their sentence.
Bad behavior gets prisoner sent to 2nd prison with added time ......


Second conviction Prisons--Make them bust rocks into little pebbles. Then make them bust the pebbles into gravel. Next make them bust the gravel into rock powder.
After that force them to mix said powder with mason cement to then build more more prisons..
All that refuse to work like that--shoot them.. No parole for good behavior- instead shoot the ones that behave badly.
Problem solved.

I never said I'd be a benevolent dictator.. --Tyr

p.s. The entire point for prison is for it not to be a a damn picnic or vacation...
It should be a damn place nobody ever wants to go back to..

[Gunny]

I would have two totally separate prison systems.



First conviction prisons-- Every prisoner works six 12 hour shifts a week unless truly unable/sick.
Only prisoners with ten year or less sentences. Nobody gets out in less than having served three quarters of their sentence.
Bad behavior gets prisoner sent to 2nd prison with added time ......


Second conviction Prisons--Make them bust rocks into little pebbles. Then make them bust the pebbles into gravel. Next make them bust the gravel into rock powder.
After that force them to mix said powder with mason cement to then build more more prisons..
All that refuse to work like that--shoot them.. No parole for good behavior- instead shoot the ones that behave badly.
Problem solved.

I never said I'd be a benevolent dictator.. --Tyr

p.s. The entire point for prison is for it not to be a a damn picnic or vacation...
It should be a damn place nobody ever wants to go back to..

Again, if lockdown doesn't bother me, how are you going to make me work? I'm in prison. You can't make me do sh*t so you better be offering something which takes "make" off the table.

Want to shoot? Go ahead. I'm thinking your career is going to be short and you're going to be bretheren with those you were shooting.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Again, if lockdown doesn't bother me, how are you going to make me work? I'm in prison. You can't make me do sh*t so you better be offering something which takes "make" off the table.

Want to shoot? Go ahead. I'm thinking your career is going to be short and you're going to be bretheren with those you were shooting.

I'd take my chances, life is a gamble.
You may have missed it but I did say how. I stated in no uncertain terms , bad behavior = shoot them.
Prisoners knowing that reality would not choose to not work IMHO.
Once its known getting shot is always the action taken only those suicidal will act up.
No harsher than in war when the kill 'em all mentality rules as it has in most wars in history up until the last century. -Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

Again, if lockdown doesn't bother me, how are you going to make me work? I'm in prison. You can't make me do sh*t so you better be offering something which takes "make" off the table.

Want to shoot? Go ahead. I'm thinking your career is going to be short and you're going to be bretheren with those you were shooting.

`....No one has to shoot anyone in Prison....there are ways/options to make prisoners (who earned their stay in Prison) to work...

...want better food?...work..want sun-light? ..work......want books to read?...work...Wanna continue enjoying your hobby? ...work...want clean attire?...work....... Wanna stay locked up...in the dark eating bad food and stinky cloths with nothing to do and Die?....Your choice Prisoner....

*Now...of course...`for now`....Liberalism will not allow this