Libertarians

[aboutime]

Why would a true Conservative NOT do conservative things ? Do Conservatives sometimes switch sides, then ???

You are the one saying that not everything Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher did was Conservative. That, FJ, is you just finding one more way to attack Conservatives ... and one of them being the person you claim to be the 'ultimate' follower of !!

Perhaps your problem is that you are so far removed from Conservative thinking yourself, that you don't grasp the full spectrum of their capabilities.

But your main problem is that it is YOU who's backed into a corner. You're a fraud.



This is actually more of the same. Trade Unionists think as Libertarians (they claim to have motivations identifiable as Libertarian). Therefore, they are identifiable FOR THAT REASON AS LIBERTARIAN.

But, never mind. In FjWorld, black can be white, allowing anything and everything to be claimed as true, according to preference. And behind it all .. 'coincidentally' ... are excuses to attack Conservatives. Your latest targets have been Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher.

Who's next, FJ ? And will you pledge 'ultimate' loyalty to the person you then attack ?

Sir Drummond. Haven't we heard all of this same crap from fj many times before?

This problem fj has with you could be solved instantly if fj just fessed-up, and just told us how much he hated Ron, and Maggie. Rather than clinging to dumb excuses, and hate-filled BS.?

[DragonStryk72]

Why would a true Conservative NOT do conservative things ? Do Conservatives sometimes switch sides, then ???

You are the one saying that not everything Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher did was Conservative. That, FJ, is you just finding one more way to attack Conservatives ... and one of them being the person you claim to be the 'ultimate' follower of !!

Perhaps your problem is that you are so far removed from Conservative thinking yourself, that you don't grasp the full spectrum of their capabilities.

But your main problem is that it is YOU who's backed into a corner. You're a fraud.



This is actually more of the same. Trade Unionists think as Libertarians (they claim to have motivations identifiable as Libertarian). Therefore, they are identifiable FOR THAT REASON AS LIBERTARIAN.

But, never mind. In FjWorld, black can be white, allowing anything and everything to be claimed as true, according to preference. And behind it all .. 'coincidentally' ... are excuses to attack Conservatives. Your latest targets have been Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher.

Who's next, FJ ? And will you pledge 'ultimate' loyalty to the person you then attack ?

...so basically, you've got nothing, and cannot either refute the information that FJ provided, nor prove anything he's said is specifically left.

Sigh, typical leftist argument strategy: yell a bunch of insults, refuse to prove anything cause you have none, and then evade all further questions. Gabs Would be proud.

[fj1200]

Why would a true Conservative NOT do conservative things ? Do Conservatives sometimes switch sides, then ???

You are the one saying that not everything Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher did was Conservative. That, FJ, is you just finding one more way to attack Conservatives ... and one of them being the person you claim to be the 'ultimate' follower of !!

Why would a conservative do something that's not conservative in nature? I suppose there could be many reasons such as making a compromise or wanting to be seen as doing something. Nevertheless I only spoke truth about Ron and Mags; is it your contention that truth is somehow "leftie" and only attacking in nature? That would be a silly thing to say.

This is actually more of the same. Trade Unionists think as Libertarians (they claim to have motivations identifiable as Libertarian). Therefore, they are identifiable FOR THAT REASON AS LIBERTARIAN.

Trade unionists have nothing in common with Libertarians but as I expected you are still utterly devoid of any links to back up your statement. Regurgitating the same nonsense is not proving your posit.

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. Haven't we heard all of this same crap from fj many times before?

This problem fj has with you could be solved instantly if fj just fessed-up, and just told us how much he hated Ron, and Maggie. Rather than clinging to dumb excuses, and hate-filled BS.?

Perfectly stated. You're exactly right, of course.

FJ still hopes (stupidly and delusionally, in my view) to get and maintain the extent of influence which convincing people he's a form of 'conservative' could bring. Yet I've comprehensively proven (and repeatedly !!) that the claims he makes for himself are an almighty load of bilge.

Still, like the leftie he is, he prefers to cling to illusory rot than admit to reality.

It's a feature of his delusions that he cannot see that thinking and behaving like a leftie is its own indicator of the truth. He believes, still, that he only has to state what he wants people to believe, for them to believe it.

[Drummond]

Why would a conservative do something that's not conservative in nature? I suppose there could be many reasons such as making a compromise or wanting to be seen as doing something. Nevertheless I only spoke truth about Ron and Mags; is it your contention that truth is somehow "leftie" and only attacking in nature? That would be a silly thing to say.

Very well, then. I challenge you to show me how Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher had ever acted like Lefties during their terms of office !!!

FJ, for you to submit any suggestion, AS YOU HAVE, that Reagan and Thatcher ever failed to consistently conduct themselves as Conservatives in anything they said and did, is to put yourself in the position of trying to undermine our memories and regard for them ! IT IS AN ACT INTENDED TO DEMEAN THEIR WORTH AS CONSERVATIVE LEADERS .. IT IS THEREFORE AN ATTACK ON THEM.

And yet you say that you do 'not' attack Conservatives !!

Trade unionists have nothing in common with Libertarians but as I expected you are still utterly devoid of any links to back up your statement. Regurgitating the same nonsense is not proving your posit.

Libertarians are supposedly 'anti Establishment', wanting to fight the machinery of Big Government. This also perfectly describes the aspirations of Trade Unions, who'll ride roughshod over anyone getting in their way.

A pencil is a pencil. A slice of cheese is a slice of cheese. A Leftie is a useless idiot. I don't have to post 'links' to representations of pencils, or cheese, or useless idiots, for that obvious truth to be accepted in each case. And since Libertarians and Trade Unionists are describable in the same terms as each other, the same remains true for them, as well.

[Drummond]

...so basically, you've got nothing, and cannot either refute the information that FJ provided, nor prove anything he's said is specifically left.

Sigh, typical leftist argument strategy: yell a bunch of insults, refuse to prove anything cause you have none, and then evade all further questions. Gabs Would be proud.

She'd be proud of FJ, you mean ? Because it seems to me that you've done a splendid job of describing FJ !!

Do a comparison between the levels of abuse discernible between the many, ahem, 'conversations' I've had with FJ. See if I've ever once rewritten ANY post of his, much less done so for abusive effect. Gratuitous insults .. ditto. Evading challenges .. also ditto. Make your comparison.

Rewriting reality is a mark of Left wing behaviour. FJ's many rewrites of my texts speaks for itself. And that's besides his claiming to be 'the One True Thatcherite' (demeaning to every other Thatcher supporter out there !!) whilst claiming he doesn't attack Conservatives !!

The truth of these matters is obvious to anyone caring to see it.

[fj1200]

I know you're done in when you have to go running to the banana for validation.

Very well, then. I challenge you to show me how Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher had ever acted like Lefties during their terms of office !!!

... IT IS THEREFORE AN ATTACK ON THEM.

I didn't say that they acted like lefties, I said not everything they did was conservative. Surely you can't be this naive. Your own arguments about Mags validate my statement.

Libertarians are supposedly 'anti Establishment', wanting to fight the machinery of Big Government. This also perfectly describes the aspirations of Trade Unions, who'll ride roughshod over anyone getting in their way.

Still no links I see. More regurgitation there is.

[Drummond]

I know you're done in when you have to go running to the banana for validation.

Er'm, no. It was the 'cuckoo' smilie I used, not the 'banana' one. Are you perhaps rebelling against the act of uncharacteristically successfully reproducing any part of one of my posts in a requote ??

I didn't say that they acted like lefties, I said not everything they did was conservative.

Correction acknowledged.

Surely you can't be this naive.

A gratuitous insult ? 'Surely not ...'

Your own arguments about Mags validate my statement.

Nope. That won't do. You are evading my questioning of your assertion. Of course you are. YOU HAVE TO.

The truth is that, as the fine Conservative leaders they both were, YOU find it necessary to undermine our memories of them. If you have any case to make, then MAKE IT, with whatever detail you think you can offer to 'prove' your case.

Or, evade. Again.

Still no links I see. More regurgitation there is.

Oh, very well (sigh) ... prove to me that a pencil is NOT a pencil. With supporting links, of course.

[Max R.]

Don't confuse ME with a Republican't. I still have my balls. I vote against the Dems. The last time I voted FOR a Republican it was Ronald Reagan.

What remember about the NSA wiretaps is it was a kneejerk reaction by Republicans to the wailing and gnashing of teeth of a bunch of lefties whining for "Big Brother" to protect them. So, we get the Patriot Act and NSA wiretapping.

Notice that neither seems to be an issue for the left NOW, but they whined like little pissants about it until 2008.

Yes, the Left is whining, as usual, but the problem I have is the Right is supporting such authoritarianism. I'm not voting for Hillary in 2016, but doesn't this leave right-leaning Independents in a quandary when the Republicans have become RW asshats compared to the LW asshats?

Everyone should vote, that's an American right and, IMO, duty, but who do we vote for when the choice is between two authoritarian assholes?

[LongTermGuy]

Yes, the Left is whining, as usual, but the problem I have is the Right is supporting such authoritarianism. I'm not voting for Hillary in 2016, but doesn't this leave right-leaning Independents in a quandary when the Republicans have become RW asshats compared to the LW asshats?

Everyone should vote, that's an American right and, IMO, duty, but who do we vote for when the choice is between two authoritarian assholes?

There is a lot of cleaning up to do...this guy can do it....hated by the left and Rhinos.



Scott Walker second choice ....

[Gunny]

Yes, the Left is whining, as usual, but the problem I have is the Right is supporting such authoritarianism. I'm not voting for Hillary in 2016, but doesn't this leave right-leaning Independents in a quandary when the Republicans have become RW asshats compared to the LW asshats?

Everyone should vote, that's an American right and, IMO, duty, but who do we vote for when the choice is between two authoritarian assholes?

The lesser of the 2 evils. The GOP will get control of everything and do exactly nothing. Carter, Clinton and Obama are what happens when the left gets control.

I'd put ME in office if it was up to me. And some people better have some go-fasters if it happened. The one time the GOP and DNC become buddies is when any threat from the outside happens against their lock on the bureaucracy. Break THAT and you got the code.

The last outsider to win was Carter, and the partly he allegedly represented turned on him. Point is, even if an outsider wins, how do they get Congress?

You call yourself an independent and I call myself a right-leaning Constitutionalist. THAT is what I swore to uphold and defend.

In the meantime, I'm voting AGAINST the Dems. They are far more dangerous than the do-nothing GOP.

[indago]

a vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil




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[Gunny]

a vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil




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And a vote for nothing is nothing.

[DragonStryk72]

She'd be proud of FJ, you mean ? Because it seems to me that you've done a splendid job of describing FJ !!

Do a comparison between the levels of abuse discernible between the many, ahem, 'conversations' I've had with FJ. See if I've ever once rewritten ANY post of his, much less done so for abusive effect. Gratuitous insults .. ditto. Evading challenges .. also ditto. Make your comparison.

Rewriting reality is a mark of Left wing behaviour. FJ's many rewrites of my texts speaks for itself. And that's besides his claiming to be 'the One True Thatcherite' (demeaning to every other Thatcher supporter out there !!) whilst claiming he doesn't attack Conservatives !!

The truth of these matters is obvious to anyone caring to see it.

Nope, you're the leftist, Drummond. Not fj, not fj at all. You still won't answer his provided information, won't rebut any information he has provided, yet squall and whine that he prove Something, and then, you'll just run away again, or if he calls you out, you'll behind your "sso you have no proof" straw man, despite proof having been placed in this very thread.

So, as I said, you drummond, are the one who continues to be labor the lefts "debate" style.Wit this as proof, alongside your own admittance that your prefer the constant liberal expansion of government, that you are a leftist.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The lesser of the 2 evils. The GOP will get control of everything and do exactly nothing. Carter, Clinton and Obama are what happens when the left gets control.

I'd put ME in office if it was up to me. And some people better have some go-fasters if it happened. The one time the GOP and DNC become buddies is when any threat from the outside happens against their lock on the bureaucracy. Break THAT and you got the code.

The last outsider to win was Carter, and the partly he allegedly represented turned on him. Point is, even if an outsider wins, how do they get Congress?

You call yourself an independent and I call myself a right-leaning Constitutionalist. THAT is what I swore to uphold and defend.

In the meantime, I'm voting AGAINST the Dems. They are far more dangerous than the do-nothing GOP.

That is the reality of it all and why one simply has to vote for the lesser of two evils--as the "not voting for the lesser" is same as a vote for the greater.
The system is set up that way and has been for well over 75 years.
The "do nothing but watch" is how the Nazi's got power and we see where that led, millions died as a result and trillions in destruction of property.
Media is a third arm of the lousy Dem party-thus every decent American has to vote to overcome that monopoly and that massive corruption that is the standard operating procedure they use every election, dead people vote, illegals vote, good dem idiots voting multiple times , etc.
Question is--will 2016 election give us the chance to turn much of this around? Or will it be the nail in the coffin of the Republic...(?)
8 more years with dem control and this nation is sunk... if no reversal= this nation is sunk......
China's and Russia's "moves" highlight the tip of the iceberg thats coming.... --Tyr