Tales of The Midde Kingdom - Life in China

[John V]

Bestowing your generous consideration, eh ? Should he feel honoured ?

As for your link, I found this wording from you within it ...



... except when you're issuing threats, of course, because you have an overwhelming need to slap a 'naughty American' (i.e one not appreciative of your self-styled 'superiority') down. The part of your quote I can agree with is the smilie ...

You really need to drop the attitude. CAN YOU ? If you did but understand, you're making a fool of yourself. Precious few here will feel any need to defer to your wholly invented sense of insufferable superiority ... and why on earth would they even consider it ?

It is not deference I’ve asked for or want and a challenge is not a threat, it’s the chance I have to show you few up for the phoney pretend academics you are. I’m not prepared to spend my time throwing insults against three to one in a never ending round of personal insults and abuse every time I post something, so my response to you few is to get on here and challenge me in a one to one debate. Am I annoyed? To bloody right I am. You first big mouth Tyr, put up or shut up!

I’ve already tried a conciliatory approach and tried to explain what you see as arrogance.
Post 25, page 2. Quote:
‘As for myself:
a) I speak my mind and that’s often taken for arrogance, and b) I speak of what I know and that’s often seen as disdainful and c) I know what I’m talking about and that’s often viewed as elitist.
If I come across as such it is not intentional.’

I come on here as a newcomer, I’m prepared to spend time and effort in producing a short series of political science based explanatory essays, which explain how we’re governed today, the reasons behind ideologies, their make up and how they’re applied in practice, in other words, why are we where we are today and in return I get a heap of abuse from a small minority of keyboard warriors. Have any of you few explained anything for the benefit of the forum instead of constant attacks on those who try? Have you ever thought that because of this abuse and bullying that posters will receive from you few is why there’s a distinct lack of political beliefs or explanationswritten here? You’ve met your match, the politeness stops with forum bullies.

As this is a political forum, I issue a personal challengeof a one to one debate to Tyr-Ziu Saxnoton aspects of social or political science, explanation only, without google or plagiarised quotes.

Aspects of which could include Marxism, progressivism, and critical theory (Frankfurt school, cultural Marxism), classical ideologies, criminology . . .
Specifics might include but are not limited to the differences between socialism and communism; the rise and effects of industrialism in the western world; the development of classical ideological thought; social and cultural changes in values and norms as a result of mass immigration . . .
Or any of the classical theorists, Durkheim, Marx, Weber, Foucault . . .

I envisage that this person will accept, given his many criticisms and personal comments on my work already posted here.

[aboutime]

My political beliefs are here:
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49871-Where-do-I-stand-in-American-politics

Don’t worry you’ll also get your chance of a one to one debate later.

No need to concern yourself with such self-flattery. I rarely, if ever decide to deal with genuine SNOBS.

[fj1200]

... it’s called being sick and tired of the baiting by the few and the constant criticism and personal attacks when posting more than one liners. The Russians were also jumped on from the word go and I can assure you in PMs, they also feel the same.

Trust me, you're not too far off.

[Drummond]

No need to concern yourself with such self-flattery. I rarely, if ever decide to deal with genuine SNOBS.

This idiot's really full of himself, isn't he ? Not been here five minutes, and we're being loftily judged from 'up on high', presumably from his own self-styled Mount Olympus.

Dunno about you, but I feel 'really honoured' John V spends entire minutes with us mortals ...

[Drummond]

It is not deference I’ve asked for or want and a challenge is not a threat, it’s the chance I have to show you few up for the phoney pretend academics you are.

I see but one way of interpreting this, in terms of your reason for being here. Simplistically put - yet, ACCURATELY - your intentions here are hostile in nature.

In which case, responses also exhibiting hostility would seem appropriate. After all, why should anyone just sit back and take your judgmentality ??

I’m not prepared to spend my time throwing insults against three to one in a never ending round of personal insults and abuse every time I post something, so my response to you few is to get on here and challenge me in a one to one debate. Am I annoyed?

To bloody right I am.

Typo time, 'Mr Superior'. One would've imagined your 'thoroughly superior' intellectual capacity would've prepared you for the correct spelling (please take notes if you need to) of the word, 'TOO' .. ??

It's a very petty point. But since you're so very driven by ego, you'll still hate being picked up on it ...

But you're just not getting the nub of the matter, John V. None of us have any need to defer to any sliding scale of yours of so-called 'worthiness'. We comment as we choose. We debate as we choose. We are entitled not to have this forum turned into a classroom by an egomaniac trying desperately to prove his self-invented superiority to us all.

Have you got that, John V .. or am I wasting my time ?

You first big mouth Tyr, put up or shut up!

Issuing orders ? Tut tut. Manners, John V ...

I’ve already tried a conciliatory approach and tried to explain what you see as arrogance.

Post 25, page 2. Quote:
‘As for myself:
a) I speak my mind and that’s often taken for arrogance, and b) I speak of what I know and that’s often seen as disdainful and c) I know what I’m talking about and that’s often viewed as elitist.If I come across as such it is not intentional.’

It's revealing that you'd come up with such insights by post #25. 'Often' taken for arrogance means that you've already had a lot of experience of being judged as arrogant. Yet .. have you been willing to be receptive to the way others view you, John V .. ? As you expect others to be to YOUR views ? H'mm .. ?

A 'no' answer would seem to confirm such a judgment of you as a provenly valid one.

I come on here as a newcomer, I’m prepared to spend time and effort in producing a short series of political science based explanatory essays, which explain how we’re governed today, the reasons behind ideologies, their make up and how they’re applied in practice ..

... and us mere mortals didn't heap praise and appreciation in your direction !! John, how could you EVER forgive us for being so derelict in our duty ??

in other words, why are we where we are today and in return I get a heap of abuse from a small minority of keyboard warriors.

Forgive us. We Are Not Worthy to inhabit the same debating forum by one as exalted as yourself !!

Have any of you few explained anything for the benefit of the forum instead of constant attacks on those who try?

Have YOU tried to find out ?? You're clearly too busy sitting in judgment on other posters here, to do the proper research and discover just WHAT we've posted here over the months and years. If, for example, you'd done enough research on me, you'd have a precise picture of what I believe, and why, and what it is that reveals the worth of my own beliefs.

But you don't know of any real detail of that. Do you, John V ? THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO BUSY LAUNCHING JUDGMENTAL ATTACKS OF YOUR OWN.

I've already picked you up on your libel about my supposed 'Left Wing' leanings. You haven't acknowledged your judgmental hastiness. In fact, you're busily compounding it.

Have you ever thought that because of this abuse and bullying that posters will receive from you few is why there’s a distinct lack of political beliefs or explanationswritten here? You’ve met your match, the politeness stops with forum bullies.

Curious. Your own example of confrontational posting continues unabated. Yet you're preachy about others' posts.

The point bears repeating - in case you can understand it, belatedly. We each of us have our posting styles, and A RIGHT TO THEM. It's not for you, especially as a self-opinionated newcomer, to dictate what YOU require from others.

You don't like what you read from others ? You can 'ignore' posts, and posters, you object to.

As this is a political forum,

I issue a personal challengeof a one to one debate to Tyr-Ziu Saxnoton aspects of social or political science, explanation only, without google or plagiarised quotes.

Aspects of which could include Marxism, progressivism, and critical theory (Frankfurt school, cultural Marxism), classical ideologies, criminology . . .
Specifics might include but are not limited to the differences between socialism and communism; the rise and effects of industrialism in the western world; the development of classical ideological thought; social and cultural changes in values and norms as a result of mass immigration . . .
Or any of the classical theorists, Durkheim, Marx, Weber, Foucault . . .

I envisage that this person will accept, given his many criticisms and personal comments on my work already posted here.

And it's HIS CHOICE to accept, or decline. Either way, you should respect the outcome.

But then, 'respect' is not what you're about. Is it ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Drummond, part of my job involves spotting nit-pickers, baiters and those with such a poor level of knowledge that they latch on to other posters but never put their own ideas out for others to see. The Telegraph is media, now if that, google and Wiki is where you get your info from it makes a poor showing. I have you down as a typical product of a UK leftie liberal, integrating yourself with the mainstream because you are unable to articulate anything yourself. I’m not critical of America, I’m critical of every country, its politicians and their policies – it’s what I do for a living.


Now, I’ll tell you what will impress me. Away you go and write a short 1000 word essay on any aspect of the political or social topic of your choice. Post it, no google, no quotes, (we can usually spot plagiarism), in your own words and using your own explanations. Now go away and impress me, I’ll give you an honest opinion and if I was wrong about you, I’ll admit it.

Drummond, part of my job involves spotting nit-pickers, baiters and those with such a poor level of knowledge that they latch on to other posters but never put their own ideas out for others to see.

^^^^ Care to tell us how doing that is part of your job teaching foreign students about social science?-Tyr

part of my job involves spotting nit-pickers, baiters and those with such a poor level of knowledge

Really--you do that in a classroom of foreign students??-Tyr

that they latch on to other posters

^^^^ So the students you teach are doing that?--Tyr

I think you may have stepped in it and not kept your story straight about what you said you do. -Tyr

[Drummond]

^^^^ Care to tell us how doing that is part of your job teaching foreign students about social science?-Tyr




Really--you do that in a classroom of foreign students??-Tyr





^^^^ So the students you teach are doing that?--Tyr

I think you may have stepped in it and not kept your story straight about what you said you do. -Tyr

VERY WELL SPOTTED, TYR.

So, John V. What are you REALLY here for ?

Seems very evident that we cannot trust in you to honestly represent yourself. It's probably stupid of me to expect total honesty from you, now or at any time. Still, if you'd now care to come clean about yourself, that might be a good idea. Under the circumstances, honesty is now very much your best option.

I think that a part of the truth - or, maybe, ALL of it ? - is that you have some sort of a chip on your shoulder about America's place in the world. In truth, you're some sort of 'attack dog' poster, targeting anyone likely to be patriotic and principled in their support of it.

If you had the brains, not to mention the integrity, that you'd like us to believe you possess, you'd realise for yourself how complete an injustice that position is. Our Left wing push that opinion, over here in the UK, for all they're worth. So I know your type all too well.

Regardless, John V .. and, as some in Britain would say .. YOU'VE BEEN 'RUMBLED', MY SON. Nicely spotted, Tyr !

[Drummond]

'You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tyr-Ziu Saxnot again.'

Quite a pity. Tyr, that post of yours richly deserved a 'Reputation' comment.

[aboutime]

This idiot's really full of himself, isn't he ? Not been here five minutes, and we're being loftily judged from 'up on high', presumably from his own self-styled Mount Olympus.

Dunno about you, but I feel 'really honoured' John V spends entire minutes with us mortals ...

Sir Drummond. I am actually enjoying how this character is demonstrating exactly what I have warned other members here...to be on the lookout for in the past. The very same things are now surfacing from the NEW MEMBERS who are so convincing...because we need to get more members...that present members are soundly warned, and scolded for daring to offer such warnings. But...speaking for myself. Because I have ruffled feathers in the past..using only the TRUTH, based on my own methods of investigation, and...I might say. Practical experience with PHONIES, and WANNABE'S.
People (members) like me are the target instead of the phonies who are needed to create hostilities while pretending to be something they are not
If anyone honestly believes I have been responsible for chasing members away from DP. I honestly do feel sorry for you for falling under the Obama-like, Liberal-phoniness spell, and rejecting my attempts to honestly help Jim with increasing the VALIDITY of this forum.
Just keep in mind. All of you will eventually get older. It may take years for all of you to finally understand. Meanwhile. I can only laugh, and just wish for the impossible.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I have no problem with the man staying and posting but I'll not be told I have to nod my head and agree with everything he says. He makes some damn good posts/commentaries.
However , that does not mean that anybody should bow to him as if he is some kind of demi-god.
He seems to think there should be some kind of forced agreement to his posts.
I do not respond kindly to force myself.
I was cool with his posts until I disagreed with one(American Exceptionalism)--then he went ballistic--thats not cool with me. After that he lodged lying accusations against me-- again, not cool. Sent a threatening pm to me, again not cool.. --Tyr

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. I am actually enjoying how this character is demonstrating exactly what I have warned other members here...to be on the lookout for in the past. The very same things are now surfacing from the NEW MEMBERS who are so convincing...because we need to get more members...that present members are soundly warned, and scolded for daring to offer such warnings. But...speaking for myself. Because I have ruffled feathers in the past..using only the TRUTH, based on my own methods of investigation, and...I might say. Practical experience with PHONIES, and WANNABE'S.
People (members) like me are the target instead of the phonies who are needed to create hostilities while pretending to be something they are not
If anyone honestly believes I have been responsible for chasing members away from DP. I honestly do feel sorry for you for falling under the Obama-like, Liberal-phoniness spell, and rejecting my attempts to honestly help Jim with increasing the VALIDITY of this forum.
Just keep in mind. All of you will eventually get older. It may take years for all of you to finally understand. Meanwhile. I can only laugh, and just wish for the impossible.

Well said, as ever.

It goes to show .. we need to be on our guard a lot more than we in fact are. I myself was convinced to a great degree by that character . thinking he was maybe an academic who had fallen too much under the influence from Leftist thinking in the past, and hadn't moved on from it.

But Tyr spotted the inconsistent scope of his posting. We are now alerted to him.

Perhaps he'll 'do a runner', as us Brits say. Or maybe he'll try to bluster and insult his way out of this. Doesn't matter -- the truth has won out. As it deserves to.

People such as you, Aboutime, are the bedrock of the forum. I've long since learned to respect your succinct observations as worth their weight in gold.

[Drummond]

I have no problem with the man staying and posting but I'll not be told I have to nod my head and agree with everything he says. He makes some damn good posts/commentaries.
However , that does not mean that anybody should bow to him as if he is some kind of demi-god.
He seems to think there should be some kind of forced agreement to his posts.
I do not respond kindly to force myself.
I was cool with his posts until I disagreed with one(American Exceptionalism)--then he went ballistic--thats not cool with me. After that he lodged lying accusations against me-- again, not cool. Sent a threatening pm to me, again not cool.. --Tyr

I agree.

I've said it before, and I'm saying it again now .. HONEST posting has its own worth. Represent yourself honestly, regardless of the view expressed, and in the spirit of honest and open interaction, views and beliefs can be tested for their full and proper worthiness.

But ... posturing, airs of superiority expressed for the sake of one-upmanship, insults, libels, even threats .. that's attack-dog posting, reminiscent of trolling. It earns NO respect, nor should it. Ever.

Nobody needs that rot. It's thoroughly, pointlessly, counterproductive.

Standards exist for a reason.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I agree.

I've said it before, and I'm saying it again now .. HONEST posting has its own worth. Represent yourself honestly, regardless of the view expressed, and in the spirit of honest and open interaction, views and beliefs can be tested for their full and proper worthiness.

But ... posturing, airs of superiority expressed for the sake of one-upmanship, insults, libels, even threats .. that's attack-dog posting, reminiscent of trolling. It earns NO respect, nor should it. Ever.

Nobody needs that rot. It's thoroughly, pointlessly, counterproductive.

Standards exist for a reason.

Now appears that JohnV would much rather run away than answer to the discrepancies of his earlier posts.
Especially how and why a "social science " teacher's job would be ---

Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
Drummond, part of my job involves spotting nit-pickers, baiters and those with such a poor level of knowledge that they latch on to other posters but never put their own ideas out for others to see. The Telegraph is media, now if that, google and Wiki is where you get your info from it makes a poor showing. I have you down as a typical product of a UK leftie liberal, integrating yourself with the mainstream because you are unable to articulate anything yourself. I’m not critical of America, I’m critical of every country, its politicians and their policies – it’s what I do for a living.


Now, I’ll tell you what will impress me. Away you go and write a short 1000 word essay on any aspect of the political or social topic of your choice. Post it, no google, no quotes, (we can usually spot plagiarism), in your own words and using your own explanations. Now go away and impress me, I’ll give you an honest opinion and if I was wrong about you, I’ll admit it.
Drummond, part of my job involves spotting nit-pickers, baiters and those with such a poor level of knowledge that they latch on to other posters but never put their own ideas out for others to see.

^^^^ Care to tell us how doing that is part of your job teaching foreign students about social science?-Tyr

part of my job involves spotting nit-pickers, baiters and those with such a poor level of knowledge

^^^ Really--you do that in a classroom of foreign students??-Tyr

that they latch on to other posters

^^^^ So the students you teach are doing that, latching on to other posters?
AND ITS PART OF YOUR JOB!??--Tyr

Or he present any evidence of the false accusation he made against me the first time I rejected one of his claims!!

By the way, still waiting to see just how he is going to destroy me as he threatened to do.. - --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Trust me, you're not too far off.

How did that amazing insightful(not inciting or even exciting) judgment turn out there , hoss?
Did that amazing pillar of virtue prove to be an innocent victim of stalkers, trolls and a gang of attackers?
Or did it eventually come to light that he himself was not what he claimed and played to be?

You aren't batting a very good streak in your judgment of others as far as I can see.
Will you stupidly declare that he was an honorable man, wrongly attacked and now has carried forth a judicious and honorable retreat?
Or dare to admit you backed a damn fraud and dishonorable arrogant person?
Do tell, if man enough to admit the truth. --Tyr

[fj1200]

Considering that you knuckleheads are still piling on when he's not even here anymore... Besides, he correctly identified a "nit-picking lefty." That's what I suggested he was correct on.