Tales of The Midde Kingdom - Life in China

[fj1200]

You don't have the ability to 'slap me in the face' AT ALL.

You're too frigging stupid to understand a metaphor so why would I think you're smart enough to understand anything else? You could also point out where I defended him; all I said was that he ran afoul of the knuckleheads and he hadn't been here long enough to know that you can't debate anything with a knucklehead. After a few facts and truth are laid down they/you pretty much slink away to prattle the same ignorance in another thread; you know, like you do with all your Thatcherite business. You can't debate facts so you try and make it about the individual; that's just another of the many ways that you argue like a leftie. That's not too far a stretch for you because you love your big government solutions when you can justify a big government solution which apparently is quite often.

[DragonStryk72]

You're too frigging stupid to understand a metaphor so why would I think you're smart enough to understand anything else? You could also point out where I defended him; all I said was that he ran afoul of the knuckleheads and he hadn't been here long enough to know that you can't debate anything with a knucklehead. After a few facts and truth are laid down they/you pretty much slink away to prattle the same ignorance in another thread; you know, like you do with all your Thatcherite business. You can't debate facts so you try and make it about the individual; that's just another of the many ways that you argue like a leftie. That's not too far a stretch for you because you love your big government solutions when you can justify a big government solution which apparently is quite often.

Sorry, fj, but John dug his own grave. No one made him go straight to condescension, or start assigning essay assignments to people who didn't immediately get on board with him.

I've railed at both Tyr and Drummond, at great length, but this one isn't on them.

[fj1200]

Sorry, fj, but John dug his own grave. No one made him go straight to condescension, or start assigning essay assignments to people who didn't immediately get on board with him.

I've railed at both Tyr and Drummond, at great length, but this one isn't on them.

Hmm, I don't disagree with you so I'm not sure the issue. My only statement is that once you run afoul of one knucklehead you won't get reasoned debate with any of them. Nit-picky leftie debate (you know what I'm talking about ) is what comes next.

[Drummond]

You're too frigging stupid to understand a metaphor so why would I think you're smart enough to understand anything else? You could also point out where I defended him; all I said was that he ran afoul of the knuckleheads and he hadn't been here long enough to know that you can't debate anything with a knucklehead. After a few facts and truth are laid down they/you pretty much slink away to prattle the same ignorance in another thread; you know, like you do with all your Thatcherite business. You can't debate facts so you try and make it about the individual; that's just another of the many ways that you argue like a leftie. That's not too far a stretch for you because you love your big government solutions when you can justify a big government solution which apparently is quite often.

FJ ... tell me. When was the last time you posted in reply to me, without either launching into abuse, or implying the validity of some ? Quite a while ago, wasn't it ?

Trolling my posts is a favourite tactic. You rewrite them, frequently abusively. Or -- you substitute prose for an abusive use of a smilie. All juvenile stuff, to be sure, but the point is that this is what YOU do.

So I find your wording ...

You can't debate facts so you try and make it about the individual; that's just another of the many ways that you argue like a leftie.

... rather ironic. What do YOU do, when in 'troll mode', BUT do anything ELSE than this ?? Your attacks are personalised ones, done (of course) for effect, to substitute for reasoned debate.

I've lost count of the number of times you've done this, FJ.

You libel me when you associate my thinking with Leftieism, and well you know it. That, of course, doesn't begin to stop you, however. Nonetheless - since you say that such behaviour is evidence of Leftieism, and since it's what YOU do ... is this a form of admission from you that you ARE one YOURSELF ?

I also note your post to DragonStryk. You claim in it ...

My only statement is that once you run afoul of one knucklehead you won't get reasoned debate with any of them

.. YET .. I'm one so-called 'knucklehead', FJ, who actually DID have a reasoned debate, only recently, with DragonStryk. He knows the truth of that, as do I. In fact, I even thanked him for it afterwards, reminded as I was how refreshing a change it made from my exchanges with you, and your trolling rot !!

Finally ... as for 'the Thatcherite business', of course, you hate my arguments on that score. You know what they are. That you, as 'The One True Thatcherite', or 'The Ultimate Thatcherite', automatically set yourself above every OTHER Thatcherite out there.

Which means that you're attacking them, and since that's in your monicker, it means the attack is contained in your every post. Logically, you can't be doing anything else. Which is curious, coming from someone professing to NOT attack Conservatives !!!

What would continually motivate you to do such a thing ? ALL THE TIME ? With such single-minded persistence ?

[Drummond]

Sorry, fj, but John dug his own grave. No one made him go straight to condescension, or start assigning essay assignments to people who didn't immediately get on board with him.

I've railed at both Tyr and Drummond, at great length, but this one isn't on them.

Totally fair comment. John V created his situation, and so held responsibility for where it led.

For what it's worth .. I don't mind being 'railed' at, providing the one doing the railing does it from a position of honesty. Decent debate is something I'll always want to encourage, and I can enjoy it when it's forthcoming.

As for FJ, it's long been my belief that he ultimately cannot help his personalised goading 'style'. The truth is that he has such enmity for Conservatives that, when encountering those who'll oppose him outright, he doesn't feel, nor can he so much as conceive of, any need to be constrained by decency.

[fj1200]

FJ ... tell me. When was the last time you posted in reply to me, without either launching into abuse, or implying the validity of some ? Quite a while ago, wasn't it ?

It has been quite awhile since you've been deserving of my taking the time to respond to you. You are apparently incapable of having a straight up debate with me because you're so hung up on this Thatcherite business and your imagination has tainted any ability you might have had. I'm happy to no longer advertise my Thatcherite cred once you acknowledge that this leftie business is of your imagination.

Decent debate is something I'll always want to encourage, and I can enjoy it when it's forthcoming.

When you've been had you always fall back on your leftie crutch. I'm happy to have a straight up debate and I'm happy to call you a moron when you post like a moron; it is completely within your power to determine which way the conversation goes.

[fj1200]

You libel me when you associate my thinking with Leftieism, and well you know it.

I'm sorry, I almost missed this one. 1. You don't really care about libel when you don't call our your pals when they do it. 2. I know exactly what your thinking is; I advance a small government, Constitutional, free market ideology whereby you will accept a larger government, damn the Constitution when it's inconvenient ideology. Who's demonstrating the "leftie" thinking here?

[Drummond]

It has been quite awhile since you've been deserving of my taking the time to respond to you.

What a ridiculous statement. If you genuinely thought that, then YOU WOULDN'T respond. Yet, here we are, my having just seen TWO responses posted by you !

It's as if you can't HELP but tell untruths. Your assertion is obviously untrue, it's obvious that you think no such thing. But you'll still claim that you do.

You are apparently incapable of having a straight up debate with me

It takes a minimum of two people to debate. You do not, in the main, attempt to debate, preferring abuse instead.

because you're so hung up on this Thatcherite business and your imagination has tainted any ability you might have had.

As I've repeatedly said on this forum, those who want debate should do it from a position of honesty. But you've been insisting, for a very considerable time, to present yourself DIShonestly. You're no Thatcherite AT ALL, but you insist on alleging otherwise. And in such a way that you continue a long-running insult against GENUINE Thatcherites.

I'm happy to no longer advertise my Thatcherite cred once you acknowledge that this leftie business is of your imagination.

But, why WOULD anyone dishonestly claim to be a Thatcherite without its being true ? WHY attempt such a deception ?

An obvious answer is that, if you're not what you say you are, then the deception exists to hide that you're the very opposite.

A Leftie is the opposite to a Conservative. You hold to Leftie sensibilities. You even admitted to Libertarian sympathies ! So .. why not take that one step more, and admit outright that you're a Left winger type ?

When you've been had you always fall back on your leftie crutch.

I've never been 'had', because you've never succeeded in conning me.

I'm happy to have a straight up debate and I'm happy to call you a moron when you post like a moron; it is completely within your power to determine which way the conversation goes.

Then your course of action is clear.

1. Finally admit you're a Leftie.

2. Commit yourself to honest posting in future.

3. Doing each of the above will ease your path towards decent, honest debate.

My posting message after message, each stating the blindingly obvious about you, is indeed a moronic exercise, since once a case is proven, I shouldn't have to KEEP on 'proving' it even more. Honest, decent debate from you will end the need for it.

It is completely within your power to determine which way any future conversations go. Just be honest about yourself, admit what you are, and we can then proceed more usefully.

And if you can find it within yourself to stop insulting Conservatives, so much the better.

[Drummond]

I'm sorry, I almost missed this one.

Why 'sorry', if I'm not worth responding to ???

CAN you be truthful, FJ ?

1. You don't really care about libel when you don't call our your pals when they do it.

WHAT 'libel' ?

2. I know exactly what your thinking is; I advance a small government, Constitutional, free market ideology whereby you will accept a larger government, damn the Constitution when it's inconvenient ideology. Who's demonstrating the "leftie" thinking here?

You're demonstrating a deception.

You claim to be a 'Thatcherite' .. and not just 'any old' Thatcherite, but the 'One True Thatcherite'. YET ... Margaret Thatcher only held a to small Government approach when she considered it appropriate. When she didn't, she exercised Government powers just as she thought she should.

Was Margaret Thatcher a 'leftie' ? YES or NO ?

So, are you what you now claim to be, OR, are you a Thatcherite ? Which is the truth, and which is your deception ?

As for your 'damn the Constitution' jibe, you forget that I have no Constitution to 'damn' in the first place. Whether you do, and the extent you want to 'damn' it ... that's not ultimately my business.

JUST START POSTING HONESTLY.

[fj1200]

What a ridiculous statement. If you genuinely thought that, then YOU WOULDN'T respond. Yet, here we are, my having just seen TWO responses posted by you !

It's as if you can't HELP but tell untruths. Your assertion is obviously untrue, it's obvious that you think no such thing. But you'll still claim that you do.

You're correct, I should have been more clear. It takes no time at all to edit out the crap in your posts and boil it down to it's ignorant essence. I could also have clarified that I see no sense in responding in any manner that would afford you respect that you are not entitled to.

It takes a minimum of two people to debate. You do not, in the main, attempt to debate, preferring abuse instead.

I debate with those who debate. I don't debate with morons who can't live outside their imagination.

As I've repeatedly said on this forum, those who want debate should do it from a position of honesty. But you've been insisting, for a very considerable time, to present yourself DIShonestly. You're no Thatcherite AT ALL, but you insist on alleging otherwise. And in such a way that you continue a long-running insult against GENUINE Thatcherites.

I've never been dishonest your ignorant moron. I can't help your imagination is to stupid to see past itself.

But, why WOULD anyone dishonestly claim to be a Thatcherite without its being true ? WHY attempt such a deception ?

An obvious answer is that, if you're not what you say you are, then the deception exists to hide that you're the very opposite.

A Leftie is the opposite to a Conservative. You hold to Leftie sensibilities. You even admitted to Libertarian sympathies ! So .. why not take that one step more, and admit outright that you're a Left winger type ?

And you still haven't provided any links that support your stupid proclamations. That's why you suck at this.

I've never been 'had', because you've never succeeded in conning me.

You've been had in debate more often than I can count because you are operating from an ignorant basis.

Then your course of action is clear.

1. Finally admit you're a Leftie.

2. Commit yourself to honest posting in future.

3. Doing each of the above will ease your path towards decent, honest debate.

My posting message after message, each stating the blindingly obvious about you, is indeed a moronic exercise, since once a case is proven, I shouldn't have to KEEP on 'proving' it even more. Honest, decent debate from you will end the need for it.

It is completely within your power to determine which way any future conversations go. Just be honest about yourself, admit what you are, and we can then proceed more usefully.

And if you can find it within yourself to stop insulting Conservatives, so much the better.

Hey moron, 1. I'm more conservative than you. 2. I'll debate honestly when you stop being a lying sack. 3. You don't know anything about honest debate when your stuck in your ignorant imagination.

BTW, I've never insulted anyone for espousing conservative views. And regarding you in particular I've never insulted a conservative.

[fj1200]

WHAT 'libel' ?

Your knucklehead pal stated I was a person he knows at a former site and was also at one point banned, among other ridiculous statements. Both of those are patently false which either makes him an outright liar or willfully ignorant. Of course he won't come clean on any specifics because the truth of his statement would be known. Of course now it's up to you, will you call him out for libel or will you revert to your standard hypocritical stance.

JUST START POSTING HONESTLY.

Hey moron, you can't win the debate in the countless other threads so you need to lose the debate again?

As for Mags, the more I read the more I'm convinced that she was more conservative than you even know because you're not really a conservative. You just prattle ignorance and stomp your feet when I point out truth.

[Drummond]

You're correct, I should have been more clear. It takes no time at all to edit out the crap in your posts and boil it down to it's ignorant essence. I could also have clarified that I see no sense in responding in any manner that would afford you respect that you are not entitled to.

It would take you less time, still, if you didn't respond AT ALL. But, you DO respond (.. as you have here ..). So your argument doesn't hold water in terms of what you claimed before.

I debate with those who debate. I don't debate with morons who can't live outside their imagination.

Translation: you only indulge in actual debate with those prepared to believe your bogus rot.

I've never been dishonest your ignorant moron. I can't help your imagination is to stupid to see past itself.

Oh, I see.

So, you are TRULY 'The One True Thatcherite' .. ? Meaning, you say you tell the truth when implying that every other Thatcherite out there is NOT a 'True Thatcherite' ... ??

FJ, why do you bother ? You are all too transparently a liar.

BTW, I've never insulted anyone for espousing conservative views.

LIAR.

I skipped to this because I've just dealt with an example of where you DO.

Any and all Thatcherites out there, FJ, actually DO espouse Conservative views !!! Yet, according to you, you are THE ONE TRUE THATCHERITE. That makes all the others FALSE ones. So, when a Thatcherite supports Margaret Thatcher's Conservative views, according to you, all they deserve is to be labelled 'false' in doing so.

And you don't think they should find that insulting ??

...... I've never insulted a conservative.

LIAR.

[fj1200]

... a liar.

LIAR.

LIAR.

Is that all you've got? The same old prattle that you can't prove in the first place? You suck at this.

[Drummond]

Your knucklehead pal stated I was a person he knows at a former site and was also at one point banned, among other ridiculous statements. Both of those are patently false which either makes him an outright liar or willfully ignorant.

It's the first I've been aware of this. Are you telling the truth ?

In any case, you're asking me to take you at your word. Why would I ?

Hey moron, you can't win the debate in the countless other threads so you need to lose the debate again?

Lies come easily to you. Perhaps that answers my above point.

As for Mags, the more I read the more I'm convinced that she was more conservative than you even know because you're not really a conservative.

... and another one. You just can't help yourself, it seems.

By the way: are you, or are you not, a Libertarian ? If you are one, then this itself brings your 'Thatcherite' 'credentials' seriously into question, right there ...

[Drummond]

Is that all you've got? The same old prattle that you can't prove in the first place? You suck at this.

Isn't it enough ???

Not only are you a liar, and a PROVEN liar ... it seems not to matter to you.

Still bothering with my posts, I see ... ... despite .....

It has been quite awhile since you've been deserving of my taking the time to respond to you

And all the posts you've added here, today, testify to that being true ??

FJ, your lies are obvious and ridiculous.