Originally Posted by
kathianne
To my way of thinking, this board is generally a microcosm of the conservative base of GOP...
that comment as a stand alone actually saddens me.
For various reasons, and more than many other comments i've read in a long time.
Originally Posted by
kathianne
...Some of us pull one way, others another. Basically we want the same things, but we disagree on the methods. In reality, we do reflect what's been going on with the GOP for many years.
Some want to somehow turn the party into one that can make the federal government reflect their values and beliefs, turning those into laws that will ensure that their will be done. They want a strong federal government that reflects their values. They want their values encoded in law.
Others want the federal government to be fundamentally <s style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">changed</s> returned to something restricted by checks and balances and a federated system as laid out in the Constitution-something it hasn't been since the Civil War. Pretty much the federal government should be limited to war, borders, interstate issues, coinage, treaties, etc.
A split is inevitable methinks. Unlike the Democrats we are not going to somehow come to the meeting of the minds.
Trump isn't the problem, his statements and themes have caused those schisms to show themselves and YES the democrats are enjoying this. Conservatives? Not so much.
I'm pretty sure, have actually thought so for at least 3 election cycles, that there is going to be a 3rd party.
Here's an article related to this line of thought-forget the title, this is not being posted as a 'Trump sucks' post. While Trump may be the lightening rod, he's a symptom-not the cause. The rift is likely to cause a 3rd party, it would happen whether he's there or not:
To me Trump is like Obama in his early days.
He mouths a lot of vague things that somehow resonants with a large group.
Like Obama he's got no real political experience. And has the ability to claim whatever sounds good (or titillating) and no one can call him on his record outside of business.
you say some conservatives want to the constitution to go back to pre-civil war level , OK sure, but I think most of us would be satisfied if it went back to Pre WWII level, or Pre-Nixon.
many conservatives as you say just want the gov't to do what they like. constitution be hanged (except for the 2nd amendment).
Having said that I don't see the Trump with anything but very thin lips service to 1st group, and a lot of logs on the rhetorical fire to the 2nd group.
the 3rd group you haven't mentioned are the rich or primarily fiscal republicans who like his ZERO corporate tax and removal of the inheritance taxes, Vague tough talk about "protection" of U.S. companies in foreign trade etc.
I suspect IF by some tragedy that he becomes presidents THOSE promises will hit the congressional floor and executive order pen before anything on immigration, Iran or the constitution
It make me sad to think that many republicans are buying this guy.
Based on Trump's attitude, do many here think He'll REPEAL the imperialist presidential powers claimed by the last few CiCs or embrace them with some relish... to get the job done?
Originally Posted by
fj1200
What values would those be?
exactly.
Originally Posted by
Perianne
No explanation would be acceptable to those who have to ask. I personally can say that he took the firmest stance on illegal immigration. He made it front and center and for me that is enough to give him some support.
If you can't explain it how are others suppose to join you?
"values" are suppose to have some content. They should be able to be articulated clearly so the benefits can be seen by others. even if not agreed with. And a presidential candidate should place them in the context of WHAT policies they'll try to put in place to correct them.
IMO if the racist comments is what resonate with the GOP base then well the GOP deserves to lose.
I know some Roman Catholics (conservative whites -who worked with Nancy Reagan-) who pray that we get MORE south americans in the country. why? Because they are more conservative than the home grown Americans. They are more religious and moral (strong catholics and protestants) , more family oriented, and are entrepreneurial. Pro-life And have children at replacement rates.
Immigration can be dwelt with but if the GOPs base "values" are mainly race. Well, whatever.
If this board is a microcosm, the question is moot and I've said to much already.
Last edited by revelarts; 08-11-2015 at 11:47 AM.
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