Family members and race survey...

[tailfins]

racist codicils on deeds are illegal.

Such a thing would happen at the recorder of deeds level, monitored by that Federal government as a remedial measure. This could even be extended to rentals, requiring all counties to require occupancy permits where the permit would only be approved if it enhances the racial balance. Kathianne, I tip my hat to you for not thinking like a totalitarian. I'm illustrating the logical conclusion of "housing justice" (aka housing for "just us").

[Drummond]

You have a home to sell, you don't want to live in it any longer, you want someplace else. So do you take less from someone who does want your home, because they share your 'culture?' I can see if it's your relative, but in general you're leaving the neighborhood, right? So you want to talk about 'culture' instead of 'race?' That's where the buzz word is relevant.

You're assuming a lot in the scenario you're painting. OK, well .. apart from the fact that if a house-seller wants to determine a price of their choice, and sell accordingly, why is that wrong ?? .. consider .....

You live in a small town, or village. It has its own culture, one the 'locals' are happy with, want to preserve.

Along comes someone, who wants to buy a property because s/he likes the look of it, and is looking to move anyway. Let's say that the person is very young, obviously into very loud rock music, loud parties, and has cultural beliefs that, say, identify with those of a society located elsewhere on the planet. You, as the seller, get into conversation, and you quickly realise that the CULTURAL differences the potential buyer have very little to do with what anyone in the neighbourhood would want, or even choose, to tolerate ... given a chance to act against it.

The buyer may be of EXACTLY the same race as the seller. Nonetheless, there'd be a serious clash of culture involved. If you sell to that person, you sell to someone who, you know, will change the cultural environment of the neighbourhood for the worse, maybe turning the neighbours' quality of life into a perceived hell.

Perhaps some passing Leftie could explain ... how does the act of not selling, in that scenario, involve RACISM ??

And, why SHOULDN'T the community want to, and be able to choose to, PRESERVE THEIR LOCAL CULTURE ? Because ... Lefties want to apply some dictatorial, arbitrary application of a PC directive, one demonising the whole thing as 'racist' .. ?

Now if some 'liberal' is playing at 'changing culture' in an area and buys to sell at a low ball price to others of a different 'culture' that is just the same, in reverse. That is what government intrusions are about. I'm against that too.

More to the point, what you describe would be attempted by a LEFTIE Government. It's the intention, rather than the method, that's wrong.

[Kathianne]

You're assuming a lot in the scenario you're painting. OK, well .. apart from the fact that if a house-seller wants to determine a price of their choice, and sell accordingly, why is that wrong ?? .. consider .....

You live in a small town, or village. It has its own culture, one the 'locals' are happy with, want to preserve.

Along comes someone, who wants to buy a property because s/he likes the look of it, and is looking to move anyway. Let's say that the person is very young, obviously into very loud rock music, loud parties, and has cultural beliefs that, say, identify with those of a society located elsewhere on the planet. You, as the seller, get into conversation, and you quickly realise that the CULTURAL differences the potential buyer have very little to do with what anyone in the neighbourhood would want, or even choose, to tolerate ... given a chance to act against it.

The buyer may be of EXACTLY the same race as the seller. Nonetheless, there'd be a serious clash of culture involved. If you sell to that person, you sell to someone who, you know, will change the cultural environment of the neighbourhood for the worse, maybe turning the neighbours' quality of life into a perceived hell.

Perhaps some passing Leftie could explain ... how does the act of not selling, in that scenario, involve RACISM ??

And, why SHOULDN'T the community want to, and be able to choose to, PRESERVE THEIR LOCAL CULTURE ? Because ... Lefties want to apply some dictatorial, arbitrary application of a PC directive, one demonising the whole thing as 'racist' .. ?



More to the point, what you describe would be attempted by a LEFTIE Government. It's the intention, rather than the method, that's wrong.

Drummond, your whole 'leftie' use is way old. No matter how you twist, I'm not. You are doing what you project onto me, see bolded above. Thanks for playing.

[Drummond]

Drummond, your whole 'leftie' use is way old. No matter how you twist, I'm not. You are doing what you project onto me, see bolded above. Thanks for playing.

Kathianne, where did I accuse you of being a Leftie ?

Track back in this thread, Kathianne, and observe who's thanked who for their posts. For example, post #73 .. you had two thank you who, shall we say, exhibit a certain 'Left-friendly' thinking in their own postings. I'm not accusing. I'm observing, and, I'm observing accurately.

I dare to think that I can do that.

It's in the nature of what they do, how they operate, and the product of it all, which helps skew a brand of thinking from a Right to a Left direction. In my society, many think David Cameron to be unacceptably Right wing. In yours, he'd be regarded by some as unacceptably LEFT wing. David C strongly supports our NHS, for example, which is a rather more and LEFTIE version of Obamacare. David C is pro-gay marriage. Again, THE LEFT in your country would identify with this, and claim it as a Left-wing attitude and approach.

Now, what separates UK society, or (dare I say it) our CULTURE, enough to account for such a change, or skewing ?

It's easy.

We, in the UK, have taken SEVERAL DECADES of Left-wing chip-chip-chipping away at our values. Today, there are many people here who DO think themselves Right wing, though many Americans would sharply disagree. This is because, Kathianne, American society has NOT taken decades of Left-wing influence chip-chip-chipping away at ITS values.

What I'm saying is that Left-wing incursiveness is to some extent of a subliminal nature. It's gradual, thoughts and attitudes are changed imperceptibly without the person being aware of it. Some of our Conservatives would be your Lefties, BECAUSE such changes have been implemented, over a long time. And, our Conservatives would be extremely sure that it hasn't happened to them.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne, where did I accuse you of being a Leftie ?

Track back in this thread, Kathianne, and observe who's thanked who for their posts. For example, post #73 .. you had two thank you who, shall we say, exhibit a certain 'Left-friendly' thinking in their own postings. I'm not accusing. I'm observing, and, I'm observing accurately.

I dare to think that I can do that.

It's in the nature of what they do, how they operate, and the product of it all, which helps skew a brand of thinking from a Right to a Left direction. In my society, many think David Cameron to be unacceptably Right wing. In yours, he'd be regarded by some as unacceptably LEFT wing. David C strongly supports our NHS, for example, which is a rather more and LEFTIE version of Obamacare. David C is pro-gay marriage. Again, THE LEFT in your country would identify with this, and claim it as a Left-wing attitude and approach.

Now, what separates UK society, or (dare I say it) our CULTURE, enough to account for such a change, or skewing ?

It's easy.

We, in the UK, have taken SEVERAL DECADES of Left-wing chip-chip-chipping away at our values. Today, there are many people here who DO think themselves Right wing, though many Americans would sharply disagree. This is because, Kathianne, American society has NOT taken decades of Left-wing influence chip-chip-chipping away at ITS values.

What I'm saying is that Left-wing incursiveness is to some extent of a subliminal nature. It's gradual, thoughts and attitudes are changed imperceptibly without the person being aware of it. Some of our Conservatives would be your Lefties, BECAUSE such changes have been implemented, over a long time. And, our Conservatives would be extremely sure that it hasn't happened to them.

You just haven't been paying attention if you think the 'left' hasn't been making huge inroads into the US 'culture.' Indeed, it's relentless. To say differently is to ignore our university issues and the acceptance of all being victims. The problem is that what the 'angry right' rails against aren't the real problems facing the country, but the symptoms.

[Drummond]

You just haven't been paying attention if you think the 'left' hasn't been making huge inroads into the US 'culture.' Indeed, it's relentless. To say differently is to ignore our university issues and the acceptance of all being victims. The problem is that what the 'angry right' rails against aren't the real problems facing the country, but the symptoms.

I note that you've had a 'Left-friendly' thinker thank you for that one.

But you're missing the point, to a degree, anyway. I'm not saying that what you describe isn't happening. I am saying that the Left's incursions, by comparison with what the UK has taken, is still in its infancy. I absolutely promise you that, as 'bad' as you think the Left are in America today, 'you ain't seen nothing yet', compared with what the UK has been seeing, for decades !!

Imagine pressure groups forming, politicians fighting, for social change .. that ends up introducing fully socialised medicine into America. Imagine The State being in absolute, dominant charge of almost all of medical care available in America ... decreeing what could, or could not, be permitted to be available to your citizens on grounds of cost to the State purse.

And .. imagine this. ALL the arguing, ALL the pressurising, ALL the administrative work involved, ALL the legislation required, ALL the building and infrastructure-creation necessary, had all been completed, and introduced, by decree ... in America .. by 1948.

And imagine an America where its citizens would be so completely accepting of their fate, today, that they regard it as 'uncivilised' to depart from such State dominance of something as very vital to their wellbeing, as this. Where no Conservative politician DARE oppose it all, without committing political suicide in the attempt !!

This, Kathianne, is just one example of where Socialism has totally and completely changed our thinking. It succeeded long ago. Can you seriously tell me that what I'm describing has made its comparable mark in America, today ???

I can cite you various other examples of skewed values favouring the Left, again, where our CONSERVATIVES have to buy into it all (e.g stringent gun controls, hatespeech legislation). But, do I need to ?

Face this fact. Socialist incursion is in its infancy, compared with the extremes of the UK. America can and MUST resist its further successes in America. It CAN and MUST do so, by not only getting the Democrats out of power, but KEEPING them out. Because if they retake power, all they'll do is take up where they left off, and re-begin their own chip-chip-chipping away at YOUR values.

[Kathianne]

I don't know if it's a failure to understand our politics or how 'left' and 'conservative' are defined between us, but Rev is far from 'left' nor for your info is FJ.

That you declare who is and isn't what they say, is more than presumptuous. Once again, I am conservative by any rational definition in US. That you don't think so, doesn't make it so.

[Black Diamond]

I note that you've had a 'Left-friendly' thinker thank you for that one.

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He thanked me for liking high noon. I thanked Gaby for her post on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Every once in a while there is agreement between those diametrically opposed to one another.

[Drummond]

I don't know if it's a failure to understand our politics or how 'left' and 'conservative' are defined between us, but Rev is far from 'left' nor for your info is FJ.

That you declare who is and isn't what they say, is more than presumptuous. Once again, I am conservative by any rational definition in US. That you don't think so, doesn't make it so.

OK, so be it. I'm clearly wasting my time.

[Kathianne]

OK, so be it. I'm clearly wasting my time.

Now if I was going to have a Drummond moment, I'd be giving a few of , talk about how 'I've used my wonderful powers of logic to have you run away from what you cannot defend; luckily for you, I'm not like that.

(Gosh that felt good, must be how the Donald feels. No filters!)

[Drummond]

He thanked me for liking high noon. I thanked Gaby for her post on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Every once in a while there is agreement between those diametrically opposed to one another.

Remarkable that it can happen. Still, wait and see .. you'll find that positions become more polarised with time, this mixed with the chip-chip-chipping away at belief-systems I've been describing.

I have no power to convince you that I'm right, unfortunately. I only know I am, from daily living a reality that I believe few Americans could imagine. When those of the Left pretend to be reasonable, I promise you, they're simply playing a 'long game'. Before you know it - and, in fact, you may never do so !! - your thoughts won't entirely be your own. You'll have taken on values which your reasoning convince you are 'right' ones, even though their origin may come from social pressures exerted over an extended time.

Here, the NHS is seen as a mark of a civilised society. Here, if you purposely want to own a gun, you're suspected of very possibly having something mentally wrong with you. Here, publicly speak out against (for example) Islam, and not only will you be branded bigoted or racist, but an 'offended Muslim' can get the police to act against you. Here, to legally watch any TV, you must, BY LAW, pay a 'license fee' .. much of which goes directly to our State broadcaster, itself riddled with Leftie biases .. but more, you must believe that in not doing this, you're acting like a criminal !!

Who ushered in ALL of this, into our Society ? 'Reasonable' Lefties .. that's who !

[fj1200]

Ah, some abuse. Thanks. I must've made a good point, then.

:facepalm: If you weren't a hypocrite it would be funny, as you are a hypocrite it's just sad.

IDIOT.

I DID THAT. You were the one trying to redefine the meaning of 'culture difference', as something it definitely IS NOT.

Quote please.

Immaterial, since the two are different issues. Slave owners were racist, because they WERE racist.

Of course, but it was also their culture. That's the point.

Really ? Your own words ...

Care to rethink that one ? Maybe ..... even quote your comment, duly CROSSED OUT, as is your abusive habit, FJ ?

Here, we have an example of where it can be a pertinent action !!

I was quoting you. You injected culture.

[fj1200]

Maybe it's not racism. Maybe the neighbors want to maintain the value of their homes and neighborhood. I can understand that.

And how do you suggest that they accomplish that?

[fj1200]

The buyer may be of EXACTLY the same race as the seller. Nonetheless, there'd be a serious clash of culture involved. If you sell to that person, you sell to someone who, you know, will change the cultural environment of the neighbourhood for the worse, maybe turning the neighbours' quality of life into a perceived hell.

Perhaps some passing Leftie could explain ... how does the act of not selling, in that scenario, involve RACISM ??

And, why SHOULDN'T the community want to, and be able to choose to, PRESERVE THEIR LOCAL CULTURE ?

It's not racist, you specifically excluded racism as a possibility. There are other ways to ensure "culture," noise ordinances and the like.

[Perianne]

Oh my gosh. Jefferson is seriously racist!!!

I have no power to convince you that I'm right, unfortunately. I only know I am, from daily living a reality that I believe few Americans could imagine. When those of the Left pretend to be reasonable, I promise you, they're simply playing a 'long game'. Before you know it - and, in fact, you may never do so !! - your thoughts won't entirely be your own. You'll have taken on values which your reasoning convince you are 'right' ones, even though their origin may come from social pressures exerted over an extended time.

Drummond, I see our future. I hope you realize I am fighting the PC power as much as I can.