Hell

[Abbey Marie]

A fair question D..... But that would be trying to prove a Negative.

Boils down to one simple thing... Let people believe what they want to believe.

Let them worship who or what they choose to be important TO THEM.

Do not ridicule a persons beliefs because you feel that YOURS are the one true way.

If you want to worship The Pagan Gods and Goddesses of old... go ahead

If you want to be a Christian... Follow your path.

If you believe that through Allah and his Prophet (may peace be upon him) you will find that which you need... find it

If you believe that the Torah holds your answers... Look to it.

But do NOT discard someones beliefs because you yourself dont believe in them or you are told by some intolerant zealot that to follow alternate paths is the Devils Work. That is just horse crap. Believe what you want to believe and shut your mouth where others beliefs are concerned.

We all define our own faith... it is not up to us to define others for them.

Ahh, the coexist stuff always sounds good on the surface, but what if:

1. It is the basis of your "religion" that your ancient texts are the inspired word of God, and no human error can exist in the writings because of that.
And:
2. The very core of that religion is that there is only one way to God?

My answer is, if those are the core beliefs of that religion, one would have to believe other religions are falling short, or there would be no point in your particular faith in the first place. You simply cannot have it both ways with Christianity.

Now, if your argument were simply that it is Christian to be polite and gracious about it, I'm with you.

[Russ]

Everybody deserves to go to hell. But Jesus Christ guarantees those who accept him as savior will NOT go to hell. It's only Jesus, not Jesus plus something else. YOU CANNOT EARN YOUR WAY TO HEAVEN.

Very well stated. The whole post, not just what is quoted here.

[Russ]

I would also point out that if there were absolute proof of any particular faith, then there wouldn't be any "faith" involved at all on our part, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for absolute proof of anything to be handed to us.

[WiccanLiberal]

I recall having the opportunity to see Monsignor Tom Hartman speak at a seminar on transplant issues. He was the speaker on ethical end of life care. I was impressed with him as a speaker and even more impressed when he gave answers to readers' questions in the column he comanaged with Rabbi Gelman for many years. I recall one answer that applied to some of the thoughts here. He had gotten a letter from a man who had a friend he had been raised with and who was the source of some concern. He loved him like a brother but, because he belonged to a church that taught that only members of that sect were going to heaven, he was worried his friend was doomed since he was of a different faith. I recall vividly that Msgr Hartman described life as a mountain, with heaven or god or nirvana etc at the top. All of us are climbing that mountain. We all see different views and take different paths. Some are traveled with many others along routes taken many times. Others strike out on their own but all want to arrive at the same place. He said that he could not imagine a loving god watching their children struggling up the mountain and reject a huge number of them because they took the "wrong" way. I thought the answer was well phrased, compassionate and expressed a profound emotional truth.

[Voted4Reagan]

Ahh, the coexist stuff always sounds good on the surface, but what if:

1. It is the basis of your "religion" that your ancient texts are the inspired word of God, and no human error can exist in the writings because of that.
And:
2. The very core of that religion is that there is only one way to God?

My answer is, if those are the core beliefs of that religion, one would have to believe other religions are falling short, or there would be no point in your particular faith in the first place. You simply cannot have it both ways with Christianity.

Now, if your argument were simply that it is Christian to be polite and gracious about it, I'm with you.

I would not dismiss them... that is their path. But I do not accept them placing theirs above anyone elses. If you feel your faith is the ONE TRUE WAY to God... Fine... Dont try to tell me or anyone else that mine isn't. That is not their place. I decide my faith... nobody else.

When you dismiss Jews/Muslims/Buddhists/Pagans and other Christian/Catholic denominations because their theology is not your own... you are imposing your values on others.

That is NOT right. The days of fighting for conversions are long over. Stop the proselytizing and let others worship as they please.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Below is a link to a short gospel leaflet that explains it better than I do. The last page (image below) is the most important page.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0001/0001_01.asp

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.



Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.


The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

With so much scripture saying your sin is yours to deal with, why would you think you can put your responsibility o Jesus?

Do you deny those scriptures?

Regards
DL

[aboutime]

And Hypocrites who hate find a safe place to stay....

[Black Diamond]

And Hypocrites who hate find a safe place to stay....

Is that Hell, Michigan by chance?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

And Hypocrites who hate find a safe place to stay....

Do you mean like Christians who love to hate so much that they will abandon a preacher who tries to preach the truth?





Regards
DL

[Gunny]

I don't know about hell, but this is my idea of heaven and I'm working hard to get there!

Take me with you PLEASE. I'll even beg if you can hook this one up.

[Gunny]

I would also point out that if there were absolute proof of any particular faith, then there wouldn't be any "faith" involved at all on our part, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for absolute proof of anything to be handed to us.

There is no absolute proof. Always been my argument against junk science people. Scientific theory is THEORY. There's no evidence to support their argument.

[fj1200]

Do you mean like Christians who love to hate so much that they will abandon a preacher who tries to preach the truth?

Cliff notes man; It's a fast world.

[Gunny]

Do you mean like Christians who love to hate so much that they will abandon a preacher who tries to preach the truth?





Regards
DL

I haven't really run into anyone that hates more than YOU. You spend so much time trying to disclaim God you must not have much time for anything else. The only people that are going to believe your squall aren't true believers to begin with.

I just always wonder what your personal malfunction is that you hate God so much you can't ever STFU about him? The irony that you talk about God more than any of us Christians is NOT unnoticed.

[aboutime]

Do you mean like Christians who love to hate so much that they will abandon a preacher who tries to preach the truth?





Regards
DL

Actually. Anyone who PRETENDS to be a preacher of hatred, claiming it is truth, is a hypocrite. Like Obama, Many Democrats, and
a member of DP who calls itself Gnostic!

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I haven't really run into anyone that hates more than YOU. You spend so much time trying to disclaim God you must not have much time for anything else. The only people that are going to believe your squall aren't true believers to begin with.

I just always wonder what your personal malfunction is that you hate God so much you can't ever STFU about him? The irony that you talk about God more than any of us Christians is NOT unnoticed.

Not too surprising as most Christians have no clue and have never read the bible.

That s why most here do not bother and only attack the messenger while ignoring the message.

Regards
DL