“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
The intellectually weak are unable to discuss topics so they have to discuss people.
Au contraire. I didn't miss those details, I embraced those details because they reinforce my point.
I don't say he talked about any specific groups, I'm pointing out facts of what happened in immigration acts that occurred after his letter. Also, where did I suggest that immigrants were not new arrivals? Nevertheless there was little truth in his words as I've shown because immigrants did assimilate into American society; are you suggesting that they did not? You could address that or you could continue to rant.
The topic is early 1900's America and the fact that we are and were a country of immigrants. Your xenophobia is another thread. Do you believe that all immigration is "leftie"? The history of the United States proves otherwise.
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Ahem .. no. The topic centred around Roosevelt's position in regard to immigration, and the importance, certainly as he saw it, of immigrants being definably AMERICAN in their loyalties and attitudes. Check back to the first post of this thread.
My answer, though not being very grounded in the period Roosevelt covered, nonetheless spoke to the topic of immigration's effects, and was pertinent. YOU, on the other hand, are keeping this focused on a more general issue of immigration itself, which keeps you more in line with a Left-wing consideration of immigration.
A paragraph from my previous post (.. don't forget to rewrite it, if or when you reply), said:
What you Leftily label as 'xenophobic', is sheer FACT. I've seen it in my country, where unparalleled immigration has resulted in ghetto-like sub-communities springing up, of immigrants having no interest in integration. Roosevelt, even when he was speaking, addressed the need to retain national identity. It isn't 'xenophobic' to have concerns which address that .. though, THE LEFT will happily demonise in that fashion.But here's the difference - America, regardless of your 'country of immigrants' argument, nonetheless has its Constitution, and still, nonetheless, created its own national identity. Roosevelt wanted that preserved, obviously, and his mindset, properly applied, worked towards that reality. But unrestrained tolerance of immigration, and insistence that it becomes the norm, MURDERS that identity.
It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
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"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
Don't worry, I saw that it was sarcasm and playing gotcha - or you could have just been direct with me in your questioning, or made a statement - but you were hoping I would say something so that you could pounce. It didn't work out that way though. His words rung true back then and now. And the Italians did in fact assimilate. The point about assimilation and language and such should have held true from the beginning, did - and still should now.
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"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock