Just Me
FIrst you need to understand I understand YOU, AND scientific "theory". You're full of sh*t. I'm every bit as educated if not more than you are. I understand the world around me just fine. You seem to be the one that can't get a grip on it with all your goofy theories.Originally Posted by pete311
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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yeah goofy theories... you mean that ones that helped you build that computer you're using? or the goofy theories that put a man on the moon and landed a probe on a moving comet? The goof theories that make nuclear power possible and supersonic jets flying? yeah those goofy theories... what do they know....
Just Me
A theory didn't build this computer. A Man did. It's a machine. Machines are man-made by men. God gave us the ability. He doesn't build them for us. And the knowledge and wisdom sure as Hell didn't come from any "theory". It came from experience and failure until success was achieved. Like iron swords that were brittle as Hell against bronze ones that can't stand up to steel.
I theorize if someone loaned me an Ironman suit I could end the war in the Middle East. Want to get back to reality?
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
Just Me
And this 5 month old baby thinks you're a dork.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Training the little one well, I see.And this 5 month old baby thinks you're a dork.
Just Me
She's cool beans. She'll know her General Orders by the time she's 2.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Guess you've never heard of this pretty fundamental theory of electromagnetism. It's kinda important. I'm stunned how daft you're being.
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Oh and the reason satellites work is exactly because of Einsteins theory of relativity.
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I would love you to tell me step by step how to build an electrical computer using no scientific theories. Once again I think you are confused at what a science theory is.
Last edited by pete311; 12-05-2015 at 06:51 PM.
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Looks like some participants here have been having some fun ...
I've picked out this quote because I want to run a concept past pete311 and see if he can cope with it.
Pete, look at the statement I've quoted from you, and perceive just how ridiculous it is from a logical standpoint.
I understand from your statement that satellites work BECAUSE of a theory Einstein came up with ? So ... if Einstein had never come up with that theory, no satellite today would work ??
How much of a mess would we be in if Einstein had never lived, then ??
Pete .. get a load of this ....
Science ITSELF is Man's construct. The concept of science itself comes from Man .. we INVENTED it. We invented it in the hope of trying to make sense out of everything, and to make use of that 'sense' to achieve something (the 'something' dependent on the area of 'expertise' involved .. ?). Science is not an absolute. It might be our effort to try and discern absolutes, but, since we created science itself (the concept, the associated methodologies) .. it is of necessity wholly limited to our OWN LIMITS .. of intelligence, of concept, of practicability.
In considering the truth of this, go a step further to comprehend how arrogant, and judgemental, your statements are. You say that it makes no sense for the Universe to be as empty as YOU say it is (.. though you have moved enough to admit the possibility of a God having created the Universe, regardless .. well done !). But .. do you arrogantly presume to judge what does or does not make the ULTIMATE sense .. and this, from YOUR limitations of intelligence and conceptual scope ?
Besides, all we 'know' about existence comes from HUMAN UNDERSTANDING of it, which may well, because of our own limits, be pathetically inadequate .. and be doomed to always be such. We make what sense we do of existence according to our 'ability' to .. but how do we know that human capabilities will ever be up to the task ?
We do our best. But we cannot step outside of ourselves and independently review how well we've done ... or judge how badly. Presumptions that we can are self-manufactured delusion.
But if you want to continue with such arrogance ... then try and 'revere' the following:
http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics...s-dark-energy/
What Is Dark Energy?
More is unknown than is known.
We know how much dark energy there is because we know how it affects the Universe's expansion. Other than that, it is a complete mystery. But it is an important mystery. It turns out that roughly 68% of the Universe is dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 27%. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the Universe. Come to think of it, maybe it shouldn't be called "normal" matter at all, since it is such a small fraction of the Universe.
One explanation for dark energy is that it is a property of space. Albert Einstein was the first person to realize that empty space is not nothing. Space has amazing properties, many of which are just beginning to be understood. The first property that Einstein discovered is that it is possible for more space to come into existence. Then one version of Einstein's gravity theory, the version that contains a cosmological constant, makes a second prediction: "empty space" can possess its own energy. Because this energy is a property of space itself, it would not be diluted as space expands. As more space comes into existence, more of this energy-of-space would appear. As a result, this form of energy would cause the Universe to expand faster and faster. Unfortunately, no one understands why the cosmological constant should even be there, much less why it would have exactly the right value to cause the observed acceleration of the Universe.
Another explanation for how space acquires energy comes from the quantum theory of matter. In this theory, "empty space" is actually full of temporary ("virtual") particles that continually form and then disappear. But when physicists tried to calculate how much energy this would give empty space, the answer came out wrong - wrong by a lot. The number came out 10120 times too big. That's a 1 with 120 zeros after it. It's hard to get an answer that bad. So the mystery continues.
Another explanation for dark energy is that it is a new kind of dynamical energy fluid or field, something that fills all of space but something whose effect on the expansion of the Universe is the opposite of that of matter and normal energy. Some theorists have named this "quintessence," after the fifth element of the Greek philosophers. But, if quintessence is the answer, we still don't know what it is like, what it interacts with, or why it exists. So the mystery continues.
A last possibility is that Einstein's theory of gravity is not correct. That would not only affect the expansion of the Universe, but it would also affect the way that normal matter in galaxies and clusters of galaxies behaved. This fact would provide a way to decide if the solution to the dark energy problem is a new gravity theory or not: we could observe how galaxies come together in clusters. But if it does turn out that a new theory of gravity is needed, what kind of theory would it be? How could it correctly describe the motion of the bodies in the Solar System, as Einstein's theory is known to do, and still give us the different prediction for the Universe that we need? There are candidate theories, but none are compelling. So the mystery continues.
The thing that is needed to decide between dark energy possibilities - a property of space, a new dynamic fluid, or a new theory of gravity - is more data, better data.
Last edited by Drummond; 12-06-2015 at 01:45 PM.
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But that's the misnomer. Nobody is claiming that the science doesn't exists; ID or creation or whatever says that we are where we are because of some sort of guiding process.
I think that is a different question. ID and science are not on the same footing.
Science is not man's construct. Man discovered the science that already exists.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
Just Me
Who's being daft? You mean because you can't stick to a topic and deflect all over the place? Let's see, AFTER I spent 21 years as a Marine I spent 15 as an electrician. Where you want to go with this one, junior? I know moare about eletricity than you got coming in the plug in your wall.
Which has WHAT to do with your theories?
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Why do I need to spell this out for you. We need to understand the theories of electromagnetism in order to build computers. You claimed no theory has ever produced anything or something like that. If we didn't understand the theories of electromagnetism you computer would not work.
Just Me
You aren't intelligent enough to spell anything out for me. I built my computer, dipstick. Jim built his. There are a few others on here that did the same. What I claimed is that YOUR theory violated scientific law. Get your shit straight, boy. You don't get to pick and choose. Unless you're a damned Democrat. Scientific theory is nothing but geeks trying to disprove God by violating their own laws.
Where you get into this electro-crap is beyond me.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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