Attachment within sexual relationships.

[Abbey Marie]

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[Black Diamond]

What part of "foresaking all others" and "till death do us part" do folks not get?

[Noir]

What part of "foresaking all others" and "till death do us part" do folks not get?

The part were life isn't a binary black or white path.

[indago]

Originally Posted by Black Diamond
What part of "foresaking all others" and "till death do us part" do folks not get?

The part were life isn't a binary black or white path.

Yes, they might as well get rid of that in the marriage ceremony...

[Black Diamond]

Originally Posted by Black Diamond
What part of "foresaking all others" and "till death do us part" do folks not get?



Yes, they might as well get rid of that in the marriage ceremony...

Well 50 percent of the time they go back on their word. I just don't think people take vows seriously.

[Abbey Marie]

Well 50 percent of the time they go back on their word. I just don't think people take vows seriously.

For some people it's more about the wedding than the marriage.

[Noir]

For some people it's more about the wedding than the marriage.

And for some people its about not being forced to stay in a relationship thats making them unhappy because of a vow they made in spite of other people making comments like

I just don't think people take vows seriously.

[jimnyc]

And for some people its about not being forced to stay in a relationship thats making them unhappy because of a vow they made in spite of other people making comments like

No one is "forced", unless your a muslim. The "vow" part isn't holding a gun to anyones head. It's a personal vow between partners under God. If unhappy, they vow to work it out instead of bailing.

Are you "forced" to eat veggies because you're a vegetarian/vegan? Or is it a choice one makes and vows to stick with it?

[Noir]

No one is "forced", unless your a muslim. The "vow" part isn't holding a gun to anyones head. It's a personal vow between partners under God. If unhappy, they vow to work it out instead of bailing. Are you "forced" to eat veggies because you're a vegetarian/vegan? Or is it a choice one makes and vows to stick with it?

Depends on what you consider 'forced' i certainly know people who have been removed from a church (and that churches social circle - which was very difficult for them personally) because of divorce.

Thankfully such views are withering in my nation, as i assume they are in yours too, but some comments in this thread still hark back to this outdated sentiments.

[Abbey Marie]

Depends on what you consider 'forced' i certainly know people who have been removed from a church (and that churches social circle - which was very difficult for them personally) because of divorce.

Thankfully such views are withering in my nation, as i assume they are in yours too, but some comments in this thread still hark back to this outdated sentiments.

You are making a different argument now. What Jim challenged you on was your saying "because of a vow they made in spite of other people..." I will echo Jim's question: Who forces us to take marriage vows?

Coincidentally, are there any institutions you actually like? I'd say that you are against anything that is even remotely connected with religion; specifically Christianity. This knowledge makes your arguments against marriage suspect.

Thankfully such views are withering in my nation, as i assume they are in yours too, but some comments in this thread still hark back to this outdated sentiments.

Oh yes, thank goodness we are doing away with such dangerous ideas as marriage vows and fidelity. Whew! How did we survive such horrors?

[Noir]

You are making a different argument now. What Jim challenged you on was your saying "because of a vow they made in spite of other people..." I will echo Jim's question: Who forces us to take marriage vows?

I did not intend for my comments to refer to being forced into marry, rather being forced to stay married (as i thought was explicit in my phrasing "forced to stay in a relationship")

[Noir]

Oh yes, thank goodness we are doing away with such dangerous ideas as marriage vows and fidelity. Whew! How did we survive such horrors?

I was talking about getting rid of the idea that someone should be removed from a social circle/church because they become divorced is withering.

[jimnyc]

I did not intend for my comments to refer to being forced into marry, rather being forced to stay married (as i thought was explicit in my phrasing "forced to stay in a relationship")

No one is being forced to stay married any more than you are being forced to remain a vegetarian.

[Noir]

No one is being forced to stay married any more than you are being forced to remain a vegetarian.

As i said, thankfully such views are withering. But there are still groups that are very backward in this respect, and when these people are your social circle it can be very oppressive.

[jimnyc]

I was talking about getting rid of the idea that someone should be removed from a social circle/church because they become divorced is withering.

Not being part of the roman catholic church after divorce is part of canon law. You also cannot get married in such a church after divorce either, unless said marriage is annulled. I have no problem with such things. My Dad went through such things and ultimately got remarried and joined a Presbyterian church. Jeff would know which denomination for sure. Jeff joined yet another. I'm still a member of my church but would understand if I got divorced and they wouldn't remarry me there. You would still be able to go to services whenever you want, it's not like they walk around checking ID's!!

I do however take issue with folks that would cut others out of their social lives as a result, to me that makes no sense.