I have very little doubt that this is the case. And I believe the same for homosexuality and other gender confused mental illnesses.Originally Posted by Abbey
Steelers in '23
I have very little doubt that this is the case. And I believe the same for homosexuality and other gender confused mental illnesses.
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Depends on your definition of "rights." But using the term they were denied the "right" of marriage, benefits is a better word IMO, that was previously allowed only to straights. And civil unions never held the same benefits of marriage and I think many people tend to agree with it now but would not have if marriage were still not allowed.
I also think you do a disservice by referring to "radical gays" when there easily "radical anti-gays." I think many times the anti-gays get in a fervor in attempting to deny something to gays that there wasn't really a movement around. Some lady in Miami initiated a campaign in the 70s?/80s? and the social conservatives started talking about the Marriage Amendment under Bush and before IIRC. I think things like that only accelerated widespread acceptance. Nevertheless there are many gay Christians who want nothing more than to be married in a church and accepted by the larger community.
There are, have been, and always will be gays; using criminals as an analogy is a fallacy. Most?, in the West anyway, don't have a problem with it and that number will grow. That of course doesn't help those who are ostracized from family, church, and community from feeling the pain.
Doesn't though make it a true statement.
And there is connection of both men and women abusing boys and girls. The dishonest argument is pointing out the one and claiming it as the only problem.
It seems you are saddle with a false belief.
Hopefully so and a turning to God that so many gays want.
Neither.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
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Nor does it if someone claims it's not.
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They have been friends, and whatever, for around 15 years.
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every one of your families has at least 1 gay member within the last 2 generations.
so... since all of you are so anti-gay why not just out them here and now... go ahead.
because all of you believe that gay=mental illness or pedophile.. so here is your chance..
expose them here and now.. have them arrested... throw them all in camps.
Hitler and Himmler both said that Homosexuals and all members of the LGBTQ Community were mentally defective..
Nice to see you all agree with the Third Reich.
When can we expect the Camps to be built?
Come on.. All of you that think being LGBTQ makes you a Pedophile or Mental Patient.. You gonna use Gas or Lethal Injection...
Come on.. be proud...
What I have seen on this thread has been absolute HATRED. I have DOZENS of Bisexual and Gay Friends. They are among the nicest and kindest people I know. All of you speak from a position of absolute ignorance. I do have to say this... Stand FIRMLY on the side of my friends in the LGBT Community.
By the way... common knowledge... Jim and all of you that are hating on LGBTQ people..
You completely insulted @WiccanLiberal and have her near tears... She is Bi-Sexual.
That is the "B" in LGBTQ.
So here is a Hint... Since you consider her to be Mentally defective and in need of Therapy we will make this real easy for you....
We're DONE HERE.. You dont have to deal with the Bisexual Liberal Woman and the Conservative Guy that Cares about her.
What you're spewing is absolute Hatred.
So Have fun... Enjoy...
Goodbye...
PS
I may send the my friend from the National Council on Sexual Freedom to read this... Just so she can Laugh... Oh.. She is Gay as well
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You know, the last time I was in Germany and saw a man standing above everybody else, we ended up disagreeing.
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I hate communism. Guess I am lockstep with Adolf.
Steelers in '23
Sorry if I have an opinion. I guess I'm a hater. Adios.
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Got news for you ... WE are NOT the ones that made being gay an issue. How the hell am I supposed to know if you're gay unless YOU have it stamped on your forehead and identify yourself as such? I don't wear shirts that say "heterosexual pride" nor have I asked for any special damned laws to protect me for it.
It is NOT normal behavior; however, what you do in the privacy of your own home is YOUR business. Keep it there.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Captain America. Gotta disagree with you on this one. I HATE NOBODY. Especially, not members of the LGBT crew. Having MY OWN OPINION HERE, and offering it IS NOT hatred. If memory serves me. WE have a first amendment, and the FREEDOM to speak, or think whatever we want. That's the Beauty of being an AMERICAN.
YOUR BLANKET SCOLDING HERE makes me feel as if You have suddenly become the Liberal YOU claim to hate, and I KNOW...that's not YOU.
Telling us you have many LGBT friends sounds very much like someone who always says...I have Black friends. Which is another sign of trying to avoid being labeled as a Racist.
By the way. My youngest brother was gay when he passed before 2000. He died of an Overdose of pain killers he stole from our mother. I Loved him then, and I still love him. But I HAVE NEVER HATED HIM.
I am sorry if anyone offended Wiccan here. But she has always seemed to be much stronger, and more resilient toward everyone here. So if something like this BOARD bothers her that much. Perhaps she should stop taking part???
Just a friendly, heart-felt suggestion.
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I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
So, this is for them.
GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !
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My youngest daughter is gay. She knows I don't approve. She's STILL my daughter and knows I love her. There's no hatred of gays. That's old school even for people as old as us.
What I HATE are the flamers and the media for making an issue of it. I consider it improper conduct. Your sex life ain't my business. Leave it at home.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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I've written many times before, one example being earlier in the thread, that I don't want to know nor do I care about others sexual preferences. I don't spend my time worrying about what others do or don't do in their RL much less in their own homes. It's not my business.
However, once one makes it a public issue, one should expect that not everyone is going to think 'Oh, that's cool.' Not going to happen. Folks are entitled to their opinions, even calling groups 'mentally deranged,' or 'inferior.' They have that right, just as their audience has a right to make conclusions on them for how they express themselves. Most of us have a tendency to treat others to some degree by how they treat us.
I've always liked Wiccan, probably given her more rep than most considering that she doesn't post a lot. I had no idea that she was bi, it's not my business. I've never once asked anyone for such information. I don't tend to write much hate towards groups, it's certainly not my thing. Hell, I'm one who argued that while terrorists aren't my kind of people, they are human, thus people.
I do think though that if one has a strong feeling regarding standing up against what they see as 'hate,' especially if a part of the reason is to back one's spouse, a rant rather than decent arguments isn't the best way to go. If one is going to exit, just do so or better yet, make a good point and exit. Just my opinion.
Sort of on point of topic, I found the following interesting-about a lesbian no less:
http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugali...ld-burns/17944
Navel-gazing about gender while the world burns
Rogue feminist Camille Paglia on the unreal world of America’s youth.
Carolyn Moynihan | Apr 21 2016
Camille Paglia, an American college professor and social critic, is one of a kind: a feminist who objects to almost every form of feminism known to womankind; a sexual radical who believes in complete freedom of sexual expression, yet a realist who insists that women have to take full responsibility for the sexual choices they make; and a lesbian who objects to the current censorship of any discussion about the causes of homosexuality.
Paglia is, in fact, a notorious contrarian on practically every social issue. And for all her radicalism the 69-year-old often sounds more like an Italian grandmother of yesteryear (she is the child of Italian immigrants) than the political progressive and sexual radical she claims to be. At least, that is the impression left by the very interesting and entertaining interview with Ella Whelan of Spiked (the home of UK contrarianism) about feminism, recorded in the video above.
The video is half an hour long, but here is a taste of Paglia’s views on the issues flourishing in the American hothouse.
Today’s college students
“They have no sense of the great patterns of world history, the rise and fall of civilisations like Babylon and Rome that became very sexually tolerant, and then fell. If you’ve had no exposure to that, you can honestly believe that ‘There is progress all around us and we are moving to an ideal state of culture, where we all hold hands and everyone is accepted for what they are … and the environment will be pure…’ – a magical utopian view that we are marching to perfection. And the sign of this progress is toleration – of the educated class – for homosexuality, or for changing gender, or whatever.
“To me it’s a sign of the opposite, it’s symptomatic of a civilisation just before it falls: ‘we’ are very tolerant, not passionate, but there are bands of vandals and destroyers circling around the edge of our civilisation who will bring it down.”
On homosexuality
“There is censorship of discussion about the causes of various gender issues – for at least 25 years, now, in the case of homosexuality itself. In the 1980s there was talk of finding a gay gene, but when that was not found, silence [became the rule]. To even raise the question of how homosexuality is caused is considered homophobic. But I think it is imperative for everyone to ask questions about matters of development of the personality and sexual orientation.
“I’m waiting for some brave young gays to protest against the censorship.”
On identity politics and transgenderism
“This hyper-self-consciousness about ‘Who am I? Where exactly am I on the gender spectrum?’ is mere navel-gazing, while in the Middle East ISIS is beheading people. It is a kind of madness of self-absorption.”
Noting that Hillary Clinton gave transgenders specific mention at the beginning and end of a rally speech last week, the interviewer asks why this issue gets so much attention in the news.
Paglia throws up her hands in exasperation at the daily coverage of “transgender bathrooms” in the US media. She suggests it is “symptomatic of people feeling that world events are out of their control.” Transgender activists can be very aggressive, she adds. As for the others:
“I really pity young people today in this environment because the pressures are enormous. It’s one thing to feel, ‘I’m not quite comfortable in the gender I was assigned at birth,’ but the pressures are to change, change, change, and to telegraph it to the world. People are pushed into making choices about surgical interventions and taking hormones, which is dangerous, and they will have all kinds of medical problems in the long run, I believe…
“I think there are authentic transgender people who had a genetic issue from the start, but they are a tiny, tiny minority of the population, and medical science is still developing to help these people.
“But now it’s become a fashion statement, or a mask [for other problems]. People are being induced to think that all their unhappiness -- in family life, in school, in relation to society – is to do with this gender issue. Well, maybe it isn’t. Maybe there are other issues a person needs to deal with.
“In the old days there were different kinds of guidance to help you focus and develop yourself psychologically, spiritually, culturally. Instead, now, all the unhappiness that people feel in these areas is consolidated in the gender issue. Maybe there is a gender issue for you, but it’s not the whole issue.”
Campus ‘rape culture’
“My generation fought for freedom from [parent-like supervision by college staff] but where women now want authority figures hovering over them. It’s not that they fear sex, but that they have no idea of what it is, because they have been raised in a culture where skimpy clothing is simply standard issue. They don’t have any sense whatever that exposure of the flesh or a particular choice of clothing can communicate a message of sexual interest or readiness.
“But the moment you say this your contemporary feminist will say, ‘You’re blaming the victim. We have the right to dress as we want.’ Of course. However, you have to be prepared for the reality of the world … which is a dangerous place. [Young women] have no idea about human psychology … that you don’t mess around with sexuality, which is extremely explosive, that you must be prepared to defend yourself, be alert to your environment…
“How can [a girl] be so stupid”, says Paglia, as to accept an invitation from a boy at a fraternity party to ‘come to my room’ and not know that he means ‘come and have sex’?
“She doesn’t want sex with strangers. Girls don’t want hook-ups, they want boyfriends ; the boys just want hook-ups. But in gender studies they are told that everything is exactly equal between boys and girls, and if boys are behaving badly they have to learn to be more like girls; they have to talk like girls, act like girls – and if you don’t, you are sexist. At the heart of this is a lack of respect for sexual differences … and I’m saying, Girls, wake up!”
Camille Anna Paglia is a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia and a well-known social critic.
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Point of order - that's flatly wrong. Sexual preference was never a condition of marriage. The ONLY requirement was opposite genders. Any man and woman of legal age could wed. Sexual preference is akin to eating preference, or what politics someone prefers. It's an internal choice - and the State had NO quizzes nor requirements of any preference; simply two tests - Biology-based gender and age.
And they also liked having hair, drinking beer, wearing boots. Equating agreeing with ANYTHING Hitler did as tantamount to supporting his murderous ways is beyond silly.
You completely insulted @WiccanLiberal and have her near tears... She is Bi-Sexual.
That is the "B" in LGBTQ.
Dude - She seems WAY TOUGH enough to handle (OMG!) WORDS on the internet. I've found her to be intelligent, fun, and solid. I doubt somebody like that would allow herself to be harmed in anyway by somebody posting online. In fact it might be a little insulting to think she were too weak to handle words.
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I've written many times before, one example being earlier in the thread, that I don't want to know nor do I care about others sexual preferences. I don't spend my time worrying about what others do or don't do in their RL much less in their own homes. It's not my business.
However, once one makes it a public issue, one should expect that not everyone is going to think 'Oh, that's cool.' Not going to happen. Folks are entitled to their opinions, even calling groups 'mentally deranged,' or 'inferior.' They have that right, just as their audience has a right to make conclusions on them for how they express themselves. Most of us have a tendency to treat others to some degree by how they treat us.
I've always liked Wiccan, probably given her more rep than most considering that she doesn't post a lot. I had no idea that she was bi, it's not my business. I've never once asked anyone for such information. I don't tend to write much hate towards groups, it's certainly not my thing. Hell, I'm one who argued that while terrorists aren't my kind of people, they are human, thus people.
I do think though that if one has a strong feeling regarding standing up against what they see as 'hate,' especially if a part of the reason is to back one's spouse, a rant rather than decent arguments isn't the best way to go. If one is going to exit, just do so or better yet, make a good point and exit. Just my opinion.
Sort of on point of topic, I found the following interesting-about a lesbian no less:
http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugali...ld-burns/17944
Recent revelations about Wiccan have not changed my opinion of her and here great character/qualities...I've always liked Wiccan, probably given her more rep than most considering that she doesn't post a lot. I had no idea that she was bi, it's not my business. I've never once asked anyone for such information. I don't tend to write much hate towards groups, it's certainly not my thing. Hell, I'm one who argued that while terrorists aren't my kind of people, they are human, thus people.
She is very intelligent, always kind and nice to all.
Myself, I do not care what people do behind closed doors as long as they do not attempt to push an agenda on me.
As DMP stated--she seems strong and wise..
I have not altered my opinion of her and her great qualities as a fine person one little bit..
She and V4R ARE STILL MY FRIENDS , AND I HOPE THEY BOTH UNDERSTAND MY HARSH WORDS against gays are about gays as a group running a militant -in your face agenda.
MY EX-WIFE'S BABY BROTHER WAS GAY--AND A GREAT GUY. We were friends and it was a sad day for me when he passed on..
HE DIED FROM AIDS ABOUT 7 YEARS AGO....
I am not always harsh and savage in my opinions, especially when I have information/knowledge of people and their important and positive character traits.
And note, who here would not defend their wife that they love??
Food for thought my friends.. Just sayin'.... -Tyr
18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
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What Tyr wrote regarding Wiccan can be extrapolated to many other individuals and groups. As I said, I don't ask what race someone is, what their sex lives are about, religion, etc. I do however try, maybe not always successfully, but do try not to write what could be perceived as hateful about groups in general.
Now with individuals it can be a different story, but again I do try not to instigate. I have and will return what is given to me-for good or not so much so.
"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
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Hmmm ... maybe we need to get Jim to revise the profile group? What do you eat? What do you screw? What color is your hair? If anyone says sheep I'm gonna die laughing from a heart attack.
Y'all are all right handed so I hate all of you anyway. Everything you do is ass-backwards.Not to mention I bet most of you a-holes have hair. And you probably drive cars instead of a truck. Eat chicken and pork. Y'all should all just go shoot yourselves right now.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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