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    Default Could Texas secede from the United States, if it wanted to?


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    Could Texas secede from the United States, if it wanted to?
    Jonathan Stahl,National Constitution Center 15 hours ago

    In less unique election years, little to no national attention is given to statewide party conventions, where state party leaders and activists meet to discuss various issues, put forth a platform, and conduct other official state party business. Earlier this month however, the Colorado GOP state convention made national headlines after Ted Cruz swept the delegate allocation that was determined at the convention – without a popular election.

    flag-of-Texas-535More recently, some attention has shifted to the upcoming Republican state convention in Texas, which will take place May 12th-14th. While the allocation of delegates from Texas to the GOP national convention was determined in the state’s March 1st primary, the emerging controversy surrounding the convention is about a debate over a pro-Texas secession plank to the party platform.

    Earlier this year, 270 county conventions took place across Texas, and at least 10 counties passed resolutions to adopt a pro-secession platform. Texas GOP party officials fear that this support and momentum will force them to hold an official vote at the state convention on whether to include a pro-secession plank in the state GOP platform.
    Actually, it could. Later court decisions are not valid under the Constitution, nor are they correct IMHO.
    TEXAS HAS THE RIGHT TO LEAVE THE UNION, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE CURRENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ITSELF AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL ENTITY.---- -TYR
    Last edited by darin; 05-03-2016 at 04:29 AM. Reason: fair-use; can't copy and post entire articles - dp
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Texas should leave the Union. So I can defect.

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    Sorry, Tyr. You are misguided. Texas has as much of a right to secede as California does.
    Namely, none at all.

    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...ave-the-union/

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    Of course Texas has the means to succeed from the Union...It's just a question of if
    it can?
    Texas v White
    He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.AeschylusRead more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...zeMUwcpY1Io.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    Sorry, Tyr. You are misguided. Texas has as much of a right to secede as California does.
    Namely, none at all.

    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...ave-the-union/
    OF COURSE IT CAN--THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT ACTIONS WILL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAKE TO REVERSE THAT DECISION.
    WOULD IT BE PUNITIVE ECONOMIC MEASURES OR USE OF FORCE.

    Texas has the needed resources to be independent.
    Add to that the edicts of the current unconstitutional government and its unlawful, freedom destroying policies, abject refusal to protect Southern border thus causing major harm to the state of TEXAS and Texas HAS EVERY RIGHT TO CAST OFF ITS TYRANNICAL YOKE..

    AFTER THAT IMHO THE QUESTION BECOMES WOULD TEXAS DO SO AND WOULD ITS CITIZENS FIGHT FOR INDEPENDENCE.-TYR
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    Sorry, Tyr. You are misguided. Texas has as much of a right to secede as California does.
    Namely, none at all.

    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...ave-the-union/
    Wrong. Any state can secede. Legally. Lincoln's use of unconstitutional power is the only thing that forced anyone to still be part of the sorry side of your country. For Mr Outsider, he played a typical US Government game -- force of arms for power and control.

    Your state ain't got enough balls to secede from itself. But we don't need you. Fall into the ocean. You won't be missed.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    I sometimes wonder about the legality of the opposite.... can the Union expel an individual state? California might provide a very good test case methinks!
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    Of course Texas has the means to succeed from the Union...It's just a question of if
    it can?
    Texas v White
    I am well aware of the case without looking. 1868. The Supreme Court covered the US's ass with an after the fact ruling which is unconstitutional. Prior to that, there is NOTHING in writing to support Lincoln and his cause. If I join a gym then quit, you can't come to my house and force me to stay. That's EXACTLY what Lincoln did. NOTHING said a state couldn't secede until Texas v White. And we don't care any damned way. You didn't win shit in this neck of the woods.
    Last edited by Gunny; 05-05-2016 at 06:26 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Texas should leave the Union. So I can defect.
    They need to hurry up and do so then. This way if the Witch should happen to win in November, I can move out of the country. I'll be bunking with @Gunny

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    They need to hurry up and do so then. This way if the Witch should happen to win in November, I can move out of the country. I'll be bunking with @Gunny
    Crap. This is such a lose-lose-lose deal.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Crap. This is such a lose-lose-lose deal.
    It's either put up with a knucklehead like me, or give up your guns to Hillary (that rhymes!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    They need to hurry up and do so then. This way if the Witch should happen to win in November, I can move out of the country. I'll be bunking with Gunny[/MENTION]
    Aw crap..... now I can't get that image out of my head!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Crap. This is such a lose-lose-lose deal.
    Couldnt be worse that living under a hillary dictatorship methinks.
    Just as long as nobody tried to get too chummy.. --Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Couldnt be worse that living under a hillary dictatorship methinks.
    Just as long as nobody tried to get too chummy.. --Tyr
    You haven't heard me say anything different. Make me the Attorney General and her ass is in prison. I had that classified crap so drilled into my brain there's no excuse. None. I don't get to commit war crimes and you can bet your ass I had to lay off the trigger once or twice. The law is law. I might bend that sucker, but I don't just violate it thinking I'm above it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I had that classified crap so drilled into my brain there's no excuse. None. The law is law..... but I don't just violate it thinking I'm above it.
    That is one thing I am trying impress upon some people. There are a
    few of us that had to live and abide by this stuff daily and it boggles
    my mind that people ignore what we lived and worked with.

    Even though FOUO (For Official Use Only) is not a classification, it is
    something that is restricted. If I had to share that information with another
    agency, I would have to get permission through the Chain to do so.
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

    "I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same of others"...John Wayne in "The Shootist"

    A Deplorable!

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