Professor and Math Problem

[fj1200]

What's the incident or condition?

Isn't it obvious in this thread?

[fj1200]

Since you have not, obviously, been in a split second decision matrix, do not have a bit
of experience, yet would rather question and condemn those that have.

You're paddling against the current with all of these 'What ifs?".

What is the split second decision matrix here?

[Elessar]

I can't mod threads I am a participant in. Simple as that. I ask another mod to look. Their decision. And I really don't know what you're talking about yet. My computer decided to upgrade to Windows 10 without asking me. So I;m currently lost in the sauce. I'm going to have to figure all this bullsh*t out.

I am not impressed with W 10. I may go back to W 7.

[Elessar]

What is the split second decision matrix here?

I was asked to Stand Down by a Mod and I will honor that.
So no further replies about this scuffle from me.

[fj1200]

I was asked to Stand Down by a Mod and I will honor that.
So no further replies about this scuffle from me.

This isn't a scuffle, it's a discussion, a dialectic process if you will. Your argument seems to rest on kicking people off of a plane is a split-second decision and profiling on the plane leads to a superior outcome. Both of those are false IMO.

[Gunny]

What is the split second decision matrix here?

There's a LOT to a split second decision. You have to take the whole thing in. I would have made a different decision but I am trained to make those decisions. First, I can recognize Arabic with my eyes closed. Second, I know the difference between math and chemistry equations. Third, I can spot a nosy old biddy from a 1000 yards. My grandmother used to hang out with them. I can also speak Spanish which means I can have a rudimentary convo with an Italian.

On the other side of the coin remember the Marine they tried to fry (and the left DID fry in the media) for shooting that guy that wouldn't produce his hands? I'd have shot him too. I'm in a hot fire zone tell you to produce your hands and you're fumbling under the blanket? Too bad for you.

And this isn't restricted to the military. First responders have to make these decisions. The Monday Morning Quarterbacking crap is fine. For what it is. But to judge people for their decisions that are in the mix is BS unless they commit a crime.

[Gunny]

I was asked to Stand Down by a Mod and I will honor that.
So no further replies about this scuffle from me.

This isn't a scuffle, it's a discussion, a dialectic process if you will. Your argument seems to rest on kicking people off of a plane is a split-second decision and profiling on the plane leads to a superior outcome. Both of those are false IMO.

I will say this, then it's done. The thread was being derailed. It's a good discussion between those of us that can discuss the issue and I think we were having a good discussion. I had another mod look at the thread and that mod did what he/she deemed appropriate. End of story.

[fj1200]

There's a LOT to a split second decision.

No question and no disagreement. This involves "busy bodies" on a plane however.

[fj1200]

I will say this, then it's done. The thread was being derailed. It's a good discussion between those of us that can discuss the issue and I think we were having a good discussion. I had another mod look at the thread and that mod did what he/she deemed appropriate. End of story.

I'm pretty sure that didn't involve me in the least.

[Gunny]

I'm pretty sure that didn't involve me in the least.

Doesn't matter. You can address the post previous to that one. I'm not here to fight with anyone. I'd like to discuss the issue. Because to me, there's a fine line between freedom and government protection. I'd like to know where that line is.

[revelarts]

I'm pretty sure that didn't involve me in the least.

agreed and ditto

[Gunny]

agreed and ditto

Enough already. Address the topic please.

[fj1200]

Doesn't matter. You can address the post previous to that one. I'm not here to fight with anyone. I'd like to discuss the issue. Because to me, there's a fine line between freedom and government protection. I'd like to know where that line is.

I did but this is new territory for me. Usually when I'm involved in a "scuffle" everyone knows it, now I'm the one that doesn't.

And back to the topic... I agree, there is a line and we're not going to be changing anything here but at least we can hold or modify our own positions as new information and perspectives emerge. Nobody learns anything if all we do is parrot those who agree with our own way of thinking and shout down reasoned opposition.

[Gunny]

I did but this is new territory for me. Usually when I'm involved in a "scuffle" everyone knows it, now I'm the one that doesn't.

And back to the topic... I agree, there is a line and we're not going to be changing anything here but at least we can hold or modify our own positions as new information and perspectives emerge. Nobody learns anything if all we do is parrot those who agree with our own way of thinking and shout down reasoned opposition.

So where is it you think elessar and I disagree? The details? That happened for all our careers. But once the order is given and we gear up, we're on the same page. Get the mission accomplished and bring everyone home. You're not talking to 2 E-3s with one hitch under our belts. I don't want women in combat and I don't want fags in my fighting hole. Anything that disrupts unit cohesion can get you killed.

I don't want ragheads on my plane. They've done enough to my life. I was living in Turkey by the time I was 2. And I couldn't get away from those Arabs until I was 40. Now we're importing them. You reap what you sow. They created their ignorant, 7th century mindset they're still stuck in, not me.

I think it was Benjamin Franklin that said something along the lines of for every ounce of security you give up that much freedom. The right wants freedom. The left wants security, then bitch about it.

[fj1200]

So where is it you think elessar and I disagree? The details? That happened for all our careers. But once the order is given and we gear up, we're on the same page. Get the mission accomplished and bring everyone home. You're not talking to 2 E-3s with one hitch under our belts. I don't want women in combat and I don't want fags in my fighting hole. Anything that disrupts unit cohesion can get you killed.

I don't want ragheads on my plane. They've done enough to my life. I was living in Turkey by the time I was 2. And I couldn't get away from those Arabs until I was 40. Now we're importing them. You reap what you sow. They created their ignorant, 7th century mindset they're still stuck in, not me.

I think it was Benjamin Franklin that said something along the lines of for every ounce of security you give up that much freedom. The right wants freedom. The left wants security, then bitch about it.

I don't think you two do disagree. I just think that neither of you are addressing the specifics of the thread for some reason. This thread has exceedingly little to do with your life or what you two did while serving, this thread has much more to do with people being targeted for little apparent reason other than their religion. Maybe you don't want them on your plane but they have the privilege of being there by purchasing a ticket on the same flight as you.