Professor and Math Problem

[Gunny]

I sure would too! Good on You, BD!

I always am amazed they get away with using box cutters. You pull a box cutter on ME? You can kiss your sh*t goodbye.

[fj1200]

I always am amazed they get away with using box cutters. You pull a box cutter on ME? You can kiss your sh*t goodbye.

Not just box cutters. Our ignorance to the threat and their willingness to do anything.

[Elessar]

Nobody called it a right and this thread is about the privilege that anyone who buys a ticket has to be on that plane.
My comment? My comments are about the sheep and their lack of ability in determining threats.

Call it ignorance and the inability to pay attention to detail!

Many newspaper articles have sent messages about situational awareness;
in print guidance to what to be aware of that are released, not by the press,
but from proper authority.

That, they ignore it is not the fault of the authority, is the responsibility of
the individual. If they choose to glean over such advice is on their shoulders.

But the first to wail and whine are those very sheep, FJ. You Can't Fix Stupid!

[Gunny]

Not just box cutters. Our ignorance to the threat and their willingness to do anything.

Who do you think you're talking to? Where is FJ? Who gave him a lobotomy and who is using his account? I understand them all too well. Unlike people that just hate something they don't understand, I study my enemy.

[Elessar]

I always am amazed they get away with using box cutters. You pull a box cutter on ME? You can kiss your sh*t goodbye.

Thus the tighter security measures put in place by HLS to be enforced by several
agencies under the HLS 'banner". TSA, USCG, ICE, CBP, FBI is the short list.

[Gunny]

Thus the tighter security measures put in place by HLS to be enforced by several
agencies under the HLS 'banner". TSA, USCG, ICE, CBP, FBI is the short list.

I think it's a shame it has come to that. I've watched TSA. They couldn't stop Chuckie on a tricycle.

However, isn't it against the law to yell "Fire" in a theater? If we're going to have these rules then these people need better training to recognize what is and isn't a threat. And as I said before, these clowns ain't going to sit there and draw up their plans on their tray table. Everyone thinks they're stupid and they aren't. If they're going to do something, the plan is already in place and so are the people. They're bushwhackers. That means the deal is long before they get on.

[Elessar]

I think it's a shame it has come to that. I've watched TSA. They couldn't stop Chuckie on a tricycle.

However, isn't it against the law to yell "Fire" in a theater? If we're going to have these rules then these people need better training to recognize what is and isn't a threat. And as I said before, these clowns ain't going to sit there and draw up their plans on their tray table. Everyone thinks they're stupid and they aren't. If they're going to do something, the plan is already in place and so are the people. They're bushwhackers. That means the deal is long before they get on.

Simple. The general public is complacent, fat, dumb, and happy. Programs
are out there and are open to the public for that Situational Awareness.
That they are not willing to attend and participate is on their ass, not the
government at any level. The seminars are free of cost. All it takes is time
to attend.

You can do the same thing on computer, but nothing beats a sit-down in a
public setting.

[revelarts]

It is when you are discussing it with two military retirees. Just what exactly do you think we are going to think like? The career cashier at Wal Mart? SMEAC.

Situation
Mission
Enemy
Admin and Logistics
Command and control

If people weren't so ignorant they'd learn to assess a situation before crying wolf. They're too lazy to educate themselves. They'd rather play on their smart phones that have made them dumb. They don't have to think for themselves and they're too busy on facebook or twitter or whatever.

Situation
Mission
Enemy
Admin and Logistics
Command and control
Constitution???

[Gunny]

Situation
Mission
Enemy
Admin and Logistics
Command and control
Constitution???

One is not comparable to the other. I am a strict Constitutionalist.

The Constitution is NOT an order of battle.

You people that want to let politicians run the military have used us since the American Revolution as a toll to line your purses. Then you give us crap and toss us in the trash when you're done with us.

I'm trained to recognize a threat. Period. Obviously you haven't read my posts in this thread because I think it was an overreaction by a hysterical, paranoid CIVILIAN. YOU. Not me. I got threat assessment down pat. I'm also educated and don't let my religion nor politics cloud my assessment.

Maybe you lame brains ought to consider reading a book and educating yourselves before you cry wolf? Just a thought.

[Elessar]

Situation
Mission
Enemy
Admin and Logistics
Command and control
Constitution???

Don't be obtuse, Rev.

The deckplate responders sometimes do not have time to glean through that
document when put on a point. We have / had to act according to the immediate
situation and prevent a potential bad situation from getting worse.

The fallback is let the Chain-of-Command and lawyers sort it out. No directive or
document prevents those on scene from taking initial action when it is warranted
for the protection of innocents, self, or team mates.

If I was wrong, I would have gladly stood before the 'Old Man' and faced the music.
It never, ever in my 37 years came to that.

[Gunny]

Don't be obtuse, Rev.

The deckplate responders sometimes do not have time to glean through that
document when put on a point. We have / had to act according to the immediate
situation and prevent a potential bad situation from getting worse.

The fallback is let the Chain-of-Command and lawyers sort it out. No directive or
document prevents those on scene from taking initial action when it is warranted
for the protection of innocents, self, or team mates.

If I was wrong, I would have gladly stood before the 'Old Man' and faced the music.
It never, ever in my 37 years came to that.

Rev's not purposefully obtuse, in my opinion. He's just goofy as Hell sometimes and loves to interject himself in arguments he doesn't belong in. It's not just him and it's not just us. It's about the situation and first responders. Military, EMT , cops ... we don't have the luxury of time. You make a decision. Unless it's criminal, I ain't holding it against you. If you're a dumbass, you get relieved of duty.

In my position, when rounds came flying down range I gave orders. I lost a couple of Marines. If I stopped and cried I'd have lost more. Where were THEIR Constitutional Rights?

[Elessar]

Rev's not purposefully obtuse, in my opinion. He's just goofy as Hell sometimes and loves to interject himself in arguments he doesn't belong in. It's not just him and it's not just us. It's about the situation and first responders. Military, EMT , cops ... we don't have the luxury of time. You make a decision. Unless it's criminal, I ain't holding it against you. If you're a dumbass, you get relieved of duty.

In my position, when rounds came flying down range I gave orders. I lost a couple of Marines. If I stopped and cried I'd have lost more. Where were THEIR Constitutional Rights?

I could not agree more Gunny.

I was on watch at the District Command Center when we lost two
SAR Helo crews, part of one was two guys that took me on a Area Familiarization flight. One of the
others on that flight smacked into Ambrose Tower tower off of Rockaway NY after he was transferred
to Air Station Brooklyn.

The loss of comrades never eases by departing. It is a sincere bond that Civ's will never
appreciate or understand. One 31 year-old Coastie was found dead in his home back where
I just moved from. He was a good and straight up lad, very professional.

[Gunny]

I could not agree more Gunny.

I was on watch at the District Command Center when we lost two
SAR Helo crews, part of one was two guys that took me on a Area Familiarization flight. One of the
others on that flight smacked into Ambrose Tower tower off of Rockaway NY after he was transferred
to Air Station Brooklyn.

The loss of comrades never eases by departing. It is a sincere bond that Civ's will never
appreciate or understand. One 31 year-old Coastie was found dead in his home back where
I just moved from. He was a good and straight up lad, very professional.

Let me be clear. I don't understand civilians. I never have. I also realize that most of them just don't get it. I don't hold it against them. I usually try to sit back and figure out where they're coming from. I'm sure a lot of them think I'm part of the Borg.

What I don't like is when people don't listen. And then want to tell me what it was all about.

[revelarts]

One is not comparable to the other. I am a strict Constitutionalist.

The Constitution is NOT an order of battle.

You people that want to let politicians run the military have used us since the American Revolution as a toll to line your purses. Then you give us crap and toss us in the trash when you're done with us.

I'm trained to recognize a threat. Period. Obviously you haven't read my posts in this thread because I think it was an overreaction by a hysterical, paranoid CIVILIAN. YOU. Not me. I got threat assessment down pat. I'm also educated and don't let my religion nor politics cloud my assessment.

Maybe you lame brains ought to consider reading a book and educating yourselves before you cry wolf? Just a thought.

Gunny if your dont read anything just get this.
And I'd Sugest you read up on how good constitutional police and FBI conduct business and add that to your training if you want to drop the BUT off your "strict" constitutionalism.



Constitution and U.S. law and treaty lays out what the US gov't... which includes the military last i checked... can and cannot do. the Civilain gov't it regulates the terms and places of "battle" and who gives the commands.

Gunny look, you and some of military guys act like you'd really prefer a military dictatorship.
But many of the rest of us prefer "civilian leadership"... under the constitution... no matter how flawed.
(BTW when the military can fix its sad rape and suicide problems tell me how perfect the military is)

you can call me names and pretend you know better, but i don't buy it Gunny.
I respect what the U.S. gov't under the constitution has trained you to do, "fight wars" but that's not police work and it's not intelligence work. But that's what's really needed on the PROTECTIVE side of terrorist work on the ground on U.S soil.
"BATTLE" mode is the LAST step, not the 1st one.

From what you've written it seems to me that your training and experience has given you 1 powerful tool. Full on attack mode. On and Off. But somehow you think any whiff of a threat deserve that ONE tool response. Sorry I don't buy it. There's no doubt in my mind that it's WRONG. We are not in a WAR ZONE at every airport and shop and town in the U.S.. There are many other tools to be used BEFORE you get to that one and in the U.S. the Constitution grants everyone here rights that DO NOT allow for WARZONE tactics to be typical order of the day.

I'm sure you disagree and you and Elesar can continue your chest beating, backslapping and dodging simply questions but sorry every problem is NOT a nail that your WAR training and tactics, experience and beliefs apply to.
And in general they do NOT apply on U.S. soil under the constitution and bill of rights... strictly or loosely.

I don't want to hear about I'm a constitutionalist BUT ...
I don't want a Prison Camp Guards, or Military Police Checkpoints and Military rules and Points of Battle order to "keep me safe". Not even if they work 100% of the time, which you know they will not, do not, and never have done.

Freedom and constitutional law and the bill of rights means a certain of amount of danger. I prefer to live within those rules. but YES i want everything done up to those rules for the public safety. And if the ball is dropped, Yes I will complain. Beyond that, well, like the 2nd amendment , sadly some people will misuse weapons and get away with murder. It doesn't mean I want a Military police state or gun confiscation, or mass deportations, or "Arabs" treated like Crap.

[Elessar]

I'm sure a lot of them think I'm part of the Borg.

What I don't like is when people don't listen. And then want to tell me what it was all about.

Borg! Good analogy!

The rest? Spot on!