old news: TSA "constitutionally" searching cars

[revelarts]

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

"The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has now expanded its intrusive searching protocol to include the interior of parked cars left at the airport. Reports of vehicle searches have been reported at multiple airports since this summer.
Since roughly June, airports have been performing vehicle searches of cars parked in front of terminals. According to their signs, this is being done in accordance with TSA mandates and local authorities.
Over the Thanksgiving holiday, a traveler photographed the sign pictured above at Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport in Birmingham, Alabama. It reads:

“ALL CARS WILL BE SEARCHED BY UNIFORMED SECURITY AS MANDATED BY BAA AND TSA”

The sign is being displayed by AmeriPark, a valet company. It cites the Birmingham Airport Authority and TSA as the government agencies responsible for the warrantless vehicle searches.

A TSA inspection notice from Rochester, NY. (Source: WHEC 10 News)

This report is similar to what was reported in Rochester, NY, this July. A woman discovered a note left in her car that her vehicle had been searched without her permission or notice. Laurie Iacuzza said she was “furious” that airport personnel had used her keys to gain access to the vehicle which she had entrusted to a valet parking attendant.
The notice, found on her dashboard read: “Thank you for your patronage. Your vehicle has been inspected under TSA regulations.”
When asked which parking lots were being searched, John McCaffery, TSA, said that the searches include vehicles that were parked close enough to present a “vulnerability” to the airport, which did not necessarily include distant garage parking.
WHEC 10 News’s that “The TSA says that this is part of its overall security plan, in that its a proactive move to keep you and your family safe at the airport. “
“The attendants told me that its kind of a three-phase thing, they’re ordered to search the trunk, the engine, and scan the inside of the car,” Brean continued. “They say it takes about 30 seconds to do it. They say that they don’t go through your console or your glove boxes. The TSA says that they’re instructing these valet attendants to look for large amounts of explosive material.”"

SO why Can't UN police do this?

[Elessar]

Going into every airport with commercial service you will see a sign
or placard stating that all vehicles are subject to search under Federal Law.
TSA is mandated to enforce this legal statute.

There are also signs along the fenceline stating 'No Trespassing', quoting
Federal Law. Locals, usually the Sheriff's Department, are the ones to do
initial enforcement.

[jimnyc]

Going into every airport with commercial service you will see a sign
or placard stating that all vehicles are subject to search under Federal Law.
TSA is mandated to enforce this legal statute.

There are also signs along the fenceline stating 'No Trespassing', quoting
Federal Law. Locals, usually the Sheriff's Department, are the ones to do
initial enforcement.

I believe we've seen the same with luggage as well, all being up for search when in an airport. Especially if not carry on luggage, sometimes they not only xray/scan it, but also open it and inspect. I've seen people upset that when they get to their destination they have actually found a note inside from the person who inspected it!!

I don't have an issue with the luggage or anything going inside an airplane, but I'd have to read more about the vehicles BS, as that sounds like too much, but I haven't read on it yet.

And the UN? What to they have to do with any of this? Other than perhaps trying to push a few buttons?

[Elessar]

I believe we've seen the same with luggage as well, all being up for search when in an airport. Especially if not carry on luggage, sometimes they not only xray/scan it, but also open it and inspect. I've seen people upset that when they get to their destination they have actually found a note inside from the person who inspected it!!

I don't have an issue with the luggage or anything going inside an airplane, but I'd have to read more about the vehicles BS, as that sounds like too much, but I haven't read on it yet.

And the UN? What to they have to do with any of this? Other than perhaps trying to push a few buttons?

All I can reply with is that if I had been in vessel inspections I could search a vessel without the need
of a warrant because the USCG does NOT need a warrant unless there is a specific need for targeting.

If you have nothing to hide, there is nothing to fear.

Vehicle searches at a public airport are for the safety of all patrons.

[revelarts]

...
If you have nothing to hide, there is nothing to fear.
....

and there ya have it, the constitution on fire.

So at that point there's no need for warrants ANYWHERE Elessar.
they can come in your house, at the airport, or into your car on the street. your business, your bank. etc..
the nothing to hide rule.

But i have to ask. If you do refuse a search are you then a criminal by default?
is there ANY need for REASONABLE suspicion? or probably cause?
What a bout a warrant at that point or is refusal itself suspicious?

[NightTrain]

and there ya have it, the constitution on fire.

So at that point there's no need for warrants ANYWHERE Elessar.
they can come in your house, at the airport, or into your car on the street. your business, your bank. etc..
the nothing to hide rule.

But i have to ask. If you do refuse a search are you then a criminal by default?
is there ANY need for REASONABLE suspicion? or probably cause?
What a bout a warrant at that point or is refusal itself suspicious?

No, it's completely different than them coming into your house and searching.

You don't need to fly, it's a choice.

Being searched at an airport is a hassle, we all agree. But wouldn't you rather get a small hassle like dealing with TSA or being blown out of the sky with a few hundred others by a bomb brought along by your friendly neighborhood muzzie?

[Elessar]

and there ya have it, the constitution on fire.

So at that point there's no need for warrants ANYWHERE Elessar.
they can come in your house, at the airport, or into your car on the street. your business, your bank. etc..
the nothing to hide rule.

But i have to ask. If you do refuse a search are you then a criminal by default?
is there ANY need for REASONABLE suspicion? or probably cause?
What a bout a warrant at that point or is refusal itself suspicious?

I made NO such implications at all. I responded to the point of being on Federally
|recognized property by TSA. Then used the example of doing vessel inspections.

A home or vehicle elsewhere is different. Unless there is probable cause or an emergent
situation, a warrant is needed.

You twisted it, not me. You got nothing to hide, then you should have no worries.

Constitution is NOT on fire unless you are the one burning it.

[Gunny]

I made NO such implications at all. I responded to the point of being on Federally
|recognized property by TSA. Then used the example of doing vessel inspections.

A home or vehicle elsewhere is different. Unless there is probable cause or an emergent
situation, a warrant is needed.

You twisted it, not me. You got nothing to hide, then you should have no worries.

Constitution is NOT on fire unless you are the one burning it.

I hate TSA. We can start there. They're so dumb they can't spell it. I consider them the Gestapo.

However, @revelarts you have to consider your audience. You never do. Elessar is a law enforcement agent. He's carrying out his orders. We don't sit around and ask why unless it's unlawful.

[Elessar]

I hate TSA. We can start there. They're so dumb they can't spell it. I consider them the Gestapo.

However, @revelarts you have to consider your audience. You never do. Elessar is a law enforcement agent. He's carrying out his orders. We don't sit around and ask why unless it's unlawful.

Thanks Gunny.

Want to see a tough system? Try Israel.

Rev...You need to wake up and smell the coffee. I know Federal Law. TSA stinks because the
job is offered open market. I had to go through a lot of training compared to them. However,
when on their turf I kept quiet and complied with them, as a Professional will do.

Warrantless searches will happen. Some woman screaming "RAPE" or gunshots in
a house do NOT require warrants to enter and resolve. Smell of MJ in a vehicle does
NOT require a warrant to search. Miranda law can be over-ridden in an emergent situation,
and is fully backed up by our Supreme Court.

[fj1200]

I think the point is being missed. We all must bow down to the State now.

[Gunny]

Thanks Gunny.

Want to see a tough system? Try Israel.

Rev...You need to wake up and smell the coffee. I know Federal Law. TSA stinks because the
job is offered open market. I had to go through a lot of training compared to them. However,
when on their turf I kept quiet and complied with them, as a Professional will do.

Warrantless searches will happen. Some woman screaming "RAPE" or gunshots in
a house do NOT require warrants to enter and resolve. Smell of MJ in a vehicle does
NOT require a warrant to search. Miranda law can be over-ridden in an emergent situation,
and is fully backed up by our Supreme Court.

Those of us except Hillary that know Federal law. know federal law. Anyone that thinks they don't pump it into our brains constantly needs to try again. We're always in some dumbass class. I'd fall asleep. Then they'd give me sh*t and I'd be like ain't this the same crap we listened to 6 months ago? How many times do you have to drill this into my head?

I can to this day carry out all orders within the rules. THAT is my biggest bitch about Hitlery. She's above what a private knows by heart.

[Gunny]

I think the point is being missed. We all must bow down to the State now.

Y'think? Most of us that work(ed) for the state want nothing to do with it. No one's missing the point. We're all burnt out from talk. Y'all talk all kinds of crap and nothing's changed. DO something. Make a change. If it's for the better, we will be there.

Quit trying to mouth your way somewhere and lace up those boots.

[Elessar]

Those of us except Hillary that know Federal law. know federal law. Anyone that thinks they don't pump it into our brains constantly needs to try again. We're always in some dumbass class. I'd fall asleep. Then they'd give me sh*t and I'd be like ain't this the same crap we listened to 6 months ago? How many times do you have to drill this into my head?

I can to this day carry out all orders within the rules. THAT is my biggest bitch about Hitlery. She's above what a private knows by heart.

I (we) had to go through 'mandated training' annually unless some event happened in which
the training occurred more frequently. It got boring. I do not need the message hammered
into my head that often.

[fj1200]

Y'think? Most of us that work(ed) for the state want nothing to do with it. No one's missing the point. We're all burnt out from talk. Y'all talk all kinds of crap and nothing's changed. DO something. Make a change. If it's for the better, we will be there.

Quit trying to mouth your way somewhere and lace up those boots.

You must have missed some of the justification for "bowing down" here. Not sure what there is to do here besides talk on a website and not vote for candidates just because they're less big government than the other.

[Kathianne]

You must have missed some of the justification for "bowing down" here. Not sure what there is to do here besides talk on a website and not vote for candidates just because they're less big government than the other.

I'm pondering running for a local office next cycle. The good thing about AZ is there's not that many people and things at least seem pretty straight forward.