old news: TSA "constitutionally" searching cars

[fj1200]

I'm pondering running for a local office next cycle. The good thing about AZ is there's not that many people and things at least seem pretty straight forward.

Ya carpetbagger you. It would be very easy to be the Republican candidate for anything in my county but that's only to be the sacrificial lamb for a November election.

[Kathianne]

Ya carpetbagger you. It would be very easy to be the Republican candidate for anything in my county but that's only to be the sacrificial lamb for a November election.

No joke! Pretty much it's set up a facebook page, state your stands. Put out a couple signs-that's the campaign. There's few newspapers and the writing is bad, to say the least. Best paper is AZ Republic, which covers Phoenix and environs nearly exclusively. Tucson gets some coverage, but Northern AZ? Not much, unless some kid climbs above the treeline in Flagstaff and is hit by lightening.

[fj1200]

No joke! Pretty much it's set up a facebook page, state your stands. Put out a couple signs-that's the campaign. There's few newspapers and the writing is bad, to say the least. Best paper is AZ Republic, which covers Phoenix and environs nearly exclusively. Tucson gets some coverage, but Northern AZ? Not much, unless some kid climbs above the treeline in Flagstaff and is hit by lightening.

AZ 1? Ann Kirkpatrick? You can take her.

[Kathianne]

AZ 1? Ann Kirkpatrick? You can take her.

I was thinking more like school board or alderman. Likely the best way to figure out what's going on around here.

[revelarts]

Thanks Gunny.
Want to see a tough system? Try Israel.
Rev...You need to wake up and smell the coffee. I know Federal Law. TSA stinks because the
job is offered open market. I had to go through a lot of training compared to them. However,
when on their turf I kept quiet and complied with them, as a Professional will do.

Warrantless searches will happen. Some woman screaming "RAPE" or gunshots in
a house do NOT require warrants to enter and resolve. Smell of MJ in a vehicle does
NOT require a warrant to search. Miranda law can be over-ridden in an emergent situation,
and is fully backed up by our Supreme Court.

who's complaining a about warrentless "searches" based on gunshots or a cry of rape Elessar?
THAT IS Probable Cause/Reasonable Suspicion by definition.

what i'm talking about is FISHING expeditions, searching EVERYONE, random searches, random frisk, electronically athering and storing private info and others info willy nilly, making list on innocent peoples actions, names, associations, etc just because they can and they MIGHT, possibly be a danger one day maybe.
the coffee's BURNING elessar maybe you've been to close to notice.

as far as "following orders" goes, well we know how that ends. And concerning respecting others doing a piss poor job without comment or correction, well if that's professionalism then it seems to me we need new standards.
What ever happen to see something say something.
does that apply to other officers/professionals obviously over steeping constitutional, legal and even common sense bounds?

If other professionals who KNOW the law and BEST practices don't/won't correct other "professionals" then there nothing to to do but to expect lowly civilians like myself to complain until somethings done to realign LEOs to the constitution. Seems to me the TSA makes YOU look bad as well especially if you just stand by and WATCH them screw up day after day.

I'm smelling the coffee and it's BURNT. it needs to be trashed and new pots put on.
If professional well trained coffee makers just stand around and watch the coffee burn out of professional courtesy sorry in my mind that's unacceptable.

[revelarts]

No, it's completely different than them coming into your house and searching.
You don't need to fly, it's a choice.
Being searched at an airport is a hassle, we all agree. But wouldn't you rather get a small hassle like dealing with TSA or being blown out of the sky with a few hundred others by a bomb brought along by your friendly neighborhood muzzie?

you don't NEED a house. Having a House is CHOICE.
Driving is a PRIVILEGE. If you're on Gov't Roads then the gov't can search your car and your bodily orifices. you're on a PUBLIC road by Choice THEREFORE for the sake of public safety it needs to be allowed. It's a hassle but would you rather DIE!! Some friendly neighborhood muzzie might be sitting in traffic with bomb. Or maybe at school. are you SURE they didn't come into your House?!!

depending on the level of FEAR the lines crosses will continue and people will say it's "reasonable" even claim it's constitutional.
Even though it's Neither.
the TSA has NOT worked. But they have pissed on our rights. Rights some seem to think we never had.

[Gunny]

You must have missed some of the justification for "bowing down" here. Not sure what there is to do here besides talk on a website and not vote for candidates just because they're less big government than the other.

That is your justification in every argument. Someone missed the point. Seems to me YOU are the one missing the point. I've railed against living in a police state for years. You think I changed my mind yesterday? Your response mirrors your responses in the pollution thread.

Laws are created for the weak, not the strong. The police at whatever level are created for the weak, not the strong. Both are created by the weak, not the strong. Fact is, they exist. You can go with the flow or move elsewhere. Try Thailand. They will love YOU.

[Gunny]

No joke! Pretty much it's set up a facebook page, state your stands. Put out a couple signs-that's the campaign. There's few newspapers and the writing is bad, to say the least. Best paper is AZ Republic, which covers Phoenix and environs nearly exclusively. Tucson gets some coverage, but Northern AZ? Not much, unless some kid climbs above the treeline in Flagstaff and is hit by lightening.

Join the club, sis. Everything in this state is controlled by Albuquerque. To include the tv stations. There's just nothing here. Probably got more horny toads, rabbits and snakes voting than people.

[Gunny]

who's complaining a about warrentless "searches" based on gunshots or a cry of rape Elessar?
THAT IS Probable Cause/Reasonable Suspicion by definition.

what i'm talking about is FISHING expeditions, searching EVERYONE, random searches, random frisk, electronically athering and storing private info and others info willy nilly, making list on innocent peoples actions, names, associations, etc just because they can and they MIGHT, possibly be a danger one day maybe.
the coffee's BURNING elessar maybe you've been to close to notice.

as far as "following orders" goes, well we know how that ends. And concerning respecting others doing a piss poor job without comment or correction, well if that's professionalism then it seems to me we need new standards.
What ever happen to see something say something.
does that apply to other officers/professionals obviously over steeping constitutional, legal and even common sense bounds?

If other professionals who KNOW the law and BEST practices don't/won't correct other "professionals" then there nothing to to do but to expect lowly civilians like myself to complain until somethings done to realign LEOs to the constitution. Seems to me the TSA makes YOU look bad as well especially if you just stand by and WATCH them screw up day after day.

I'm smelling the coffee and it's BURNT. it needs to be trashed and new pots put on.
If professional well trained coffee makers just stand around and watch the coffee burn out of professional courtesy sorry in my mind that's unacceptable.

You don't know a thing about following orders. You want to indict the whole for the actions of the few. I personally, that I know of, never met one person that would carry out an unlawful order. But you better have your ducks in a row when you take on the system.

The TSA doesn't make us look bad. They're rent-a-cops. We are trained professionals. YOU trying to include them with us is insulting.

[revelarts]

You don't know a thing about following orders. You want to indict the whole for the actions of the few. I personally, that I know of, never met one person that would carry out an unlawful order. But you better have your ducks in a row when you take on the system.

The TSA doesn't make us look bad. They're rent-a-cops. We are trained professionals. YOU trying to include them with us is insulting.

Elessar says he deals with them as fellow "professionals"... untrained professional but professionals and fellow LEOs none the less..
Sorry you don't get to disown them Gunny. They are hired by the same gov't and SUPPOSEDLY do a similar job.... "protect the country" under the authority of a badge and uniform.

[Gunny]

Elessar says he deals with them as fellow "professionals"... untrained professional but professionals and fellow LEOs none the less..
Sorry you don't get to disown them Gunny. They are hired by the same gov't and SUPPOSEDLY do a similar job.... "protect the country" under the authority of a badge and uniform.

I can easily disown them. I'm an 0317, combat Marine. I don't play cop. Elessar is a Coastie. You can't hire the idiot off the corner to run a cutter. HUGE difference between us and some moron playing cop at an airport.

WHy can't you just agree to agree to agree ever? I can't stand the TSA. I sure as Hell wouldn't wait on them to drop their Cheeto's and protect me.

So yeah, I sure as sh*t can disown them. They're not part of the military. They're just idiots hired as a patch job after 9/11 to appease the left's whining.

[revelarts]

I can easily disown them. I'm an 0317, combat Marine. I don't play cop. Elessar is a Coastie. You can't hire the idiot off the corner to run a cutter. HUGE difference between us and some moron playing cop at an airport.

WHy can't you just agree to agree to agree ever? I can't stand the TSA. I sure as Hell wouldn't wait on them to drop their Cheeto's and protect me.

So yeah, I sure as sh*t can disown them. They're not part of the military. They're just idiots hired as a patch job after 9/11 to appease the left's whining.

we Agree 100% that the TSA is crap from conception to implementation.

I think they are generally useless and counter productive.
And I think they should be removed.

But hey Gunny you came in saying i shouldn't connect what Elesar had already connected.
And that i didn't know what i was talking about. Was i suppose to agree with you on how wrong i was when i was wasn't wrong.
sheesh man.
The TSA are are supposedly protecting the country from enemies. seems to me the SAME job goal as Marines just far different tools and venues.
so can we agree?

[fj1200]

That is your justification in every argument. Someone missed the point. Seems to me YOU are the one missing the point. I've railed against living in a police state for years. You think I changed my mind yesterday? Your response mirrors your responses in the pollution thread.

Laws are created for the weak, not the strong. The police at whatever level are created for the weak, not the strong. Both are created by the weak, not the strong. Fact is, they exist. You can go with the flow or move elsewhere. Try Thailand. They will love YOU.

Thank you for more folksy anecdotalism.

[Gunny]

we Agree 100% that the TSA is crap from conception to implementation.

I think they are generally useless and counter productive.
And I think they should be removed.

But hey Gunny you came in saying i shouldn't connect what Elesar had already connected.
And that i didn't know what i was talking about. Was i suppose to agree with you on how wrong i was when i was wasn't wrong.
sheesh man.
The TSA are are supposedly protecting the country from enemies. seems to me the SAME job goal as Marines just far different tools and venues.
so can we agree?

Your personal skills are sorely lacking, rev. I'm constant. I know the rules and I know the deal. I'm a Gunny. Same as a Chief. It's my job to advise you why sh*t won't work. Then I get to make it work because I'm lucky like that.

If you look back up, I've said the TSA was sh*t from every post about it. However, the other side of the coin is very different. I want to go home. First thing you need to learn is us vets will kick the crap out of each other in a bar, but when you attack? We close ranks.

All it takes is one idiot drug runner with an RPG to take out the bridge. You don't go home. Don't know about you, but I love my little girls. I liked seeing them.

So don't go comparing us to rent-a-cops. That's about as big an insult as you can throw out there.

[revelarts]

.....So don't go comparing us to rent-a-cops. That's about as big an insult as you can throw out there.

THAT i can understand Gunny.
I meant no offense. the TSA are not in the same league as ANY branch of the military. period.

I was just making ONE point.
5th string bench sitters farm team guys who are drinking all the water while doing nothing are still "on the team". But everyone knows who the real big league players are Gunny. Here's my point, if the Real players see the farm team bench sitters committing fouls getting on the field when they shouldn't, causing "the team" to lose, then the real players ought to say something directly to the 5th stringers. And not get mad at the ticket buying team fans who are yelling at them to STAY OFF The field.