Obvious Christian-baiting

[OCA]

Still nothing.

RUN FOREST! RUN!

Yes, if I don't answer in 30 seconds i'm running lol. Could you possibly be more desperate?

[OCA]

Hey Waltz, you know how to look at the "currently active users" screen?

If you don't I could help you, might stop you from making embarrassing posts like that last one.

[Lightning Waltz]

Thanks for finally answering.

Normal=The way things are supposed to be when left untampered with also normal is defined by society as a whole.

Er..."supposed to be" is a value judgement. "Supposed to be" as according to whom?

As for society, see above.

Natural=innate attraction and innate senses(of which at birth EVERY human is born with the innate attraction to the opposite sex, that is fact.)

Prove it.

It is natural for birds to fly south in the winter, not north....see how that is?

It is natural for some animals to exhibit homosexual behavior, as well.

A kid who has beautiful skin and brown hair but gets his cheeks pierced and a pink mohawk is not normal, see how that works?

Depending on the society, it might be unnatural to NOT do those things... Ever opened a Natural Geographic? ...come on...you have to get your jollies some time....

[Lightning Waltz]

Yes, if I don't answer in 30 seconds i'm running lol. Could you possibly be more desperate?

30 seconds...I've been asking for days...

[manu1959]

yes.... we ALL fall short, this is not a Chrisian, or muslim, etc exclusive!

if you attack me first and if i defend myself have i fallen short? am i even allowed to defend myself?

[OCA]

Thanks for finally answering.



Er..."supposed to be" is a value judgement. "Supposed to be" as according to whom?

As for society, see above.



Prove it.



It is natural for some animals to exhibit homosexual behavior, as well.



Depending on the society, it might be unnatural to NOT do those things... Ever opened a Natural Geographic? ...come on...you have to get your jollies some time....

Supposed to be=society sets norms and parameters.

Prove it....are you shitting me? Again I ask, did you fail biology 101?

Animals=tsk tsk tsk, you forgot the critical thinking part again. Animals also shit in public, eat bugs off of each other and lick their own balls.....you do these things too Waltz? Is this shit natural for Waltz to do?

[Lightning Waltz]

Supposed to be=society sets norms and parameters.

So, really, it's just one justification. Society sets the standards. See above.

Prove it....are you shitting me? Again I ask, did you fail biology 101?

Nowhere in Biology 101 was it proven that there is an innate natural attraction to the opposite sex at birth.

Again, prove it?

Animals=tsk tsk tsk, you forgot the critical thinking part again. Animals also shit in public, eat bugs off of each other and lick their own balls.....you do these things too Waltz? Is this shit natural for Waltz to do?

Er...I was responding to YOUR analogy that birds (an animal, just in case you were wondering) fly south for the winter and that is "natural".

So, want to try a different analogy?

[JohnDoe]

if you attack me first and if i defend myself have i fallen short? am i even allowed to defend myself?

Of course you are allowed to defend yourself from someone when they are attacking you!

[JohnDoe]

YOU are defining the terms. Good for you.

Normal -- based on society. Okay... You try to claim that it has never been accepted, I'm not so sure about that. Socretes argued that the highest form of sex was with a young boy. But, I digress...

There have been a lot of norms throughout history. They have changed quite a bit, as well. Slavery, human sacrifice, vastly different ages of consent, canibalism, war, female castration, etc....have been accepted societal norms. I think you're going to get into trouble with your definition...

Natural -- procreation isn't the only purpose for sex. Or, do you oppose infertial people from getting married?

Do you really believe that the only purpose for sex is procreation? I suppose you're against all forms of birth control, right? Never have sex yourself unless you're "trying", I suppose. Can I ask a personal question? Does your wife or girlfriend get lonely?

Mules...are they the abomination, do you suppose?

I think what he is trying to say is that humans and all other animals enjoy sex, and have a desire for sex, for the most part, because we are somehow ''designed'' in this manner so that we procreate. It is not necessarily a concious thought, like: ''Oh boy, let's have sex so we can procreate kind of thing!''.

It is more in line with having orgasms when we have sex, we like it, we want more of it...and for most species, this attraction and enjoyment is with the opposite sex, which keeps our species, and all species... from extinction imo.

[manu1959]

Of course you are allowed to defend yourself from someone when they are attacking you!

the crusades were a counter attack response to the morrish invasion of europe....

[JohnDoe]

the crusades were a counter attack response to the morrish invasion of europe....

when or rather while they are attacking you....it is proper to defend yourself.

just war theory...read up on it... answers.com or wiki have explanation of it...

[manu1959]

when or rather while they are attacking you.

when what? while what? no i was not alive when the moors attacked europe and jerusalem

[JohnDoe]

when what? while what? no i was not alive when the moors attacked europe and jerusalem

Hahaha! lol!

I modified/edited my post to make it clearer! lol

[manu1959]

when or rather while they are attacking you....it is proper to defend yourself.

just war theory...read up on it... answers.com or wiki have explanation of it...

so once they attack you and take your land thus you have lost....you can not ever attempt to take your land back?

[Yurt]

so once they attack you and take your land thus you have lost....you can not ever attempt to take your land back?

no, that law only applies to muslims