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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Also on another note i always have to wonder about the concept of a country based on the protecting the concept of individual freedoms, like free speech, but people wanting to force others to conform to respect the symbols of the country that exalts individual freedoms above all.

    I do get the real anger of many people have over the "disrespect".
    But i don't get stuff like 'HAHA! yeses, force them to do my way or else because this is AMERICA, FREEDOM baby YEAH YEAH!'.
    That seems at the least a little inconsistent.
    the "I don't like what you say but i'll defend your right to say it" makes more sense to me.

    It seems many upset with disrespect for the flag see the flag as not so much as a symbol of freedom but MORE as the symbol of the many people who've died to protect the concept of freedom (and in all the other wars right or wrong). And that not respecting the flag and songs is a slight specifically against those in the military. and it should never be done.
    I can understand that point. and i respect that point.
    However I also understand those that do see the flag and all the blood spilled to defend the country as the symbol 1st of the freedom and justice they died to defend. And that furthering that ideal is more important than the symbols and songs themselves. And in fact honors those symbols.

    I'm not sure they'll ever be a way to bridge the gap in viewpoints since emotions run high over such things but I'd like to think at the very least, as Americans we can be ciivl and NOT go 'to war' with each other over people having different but equally HIGH views of what America is and aspires to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Also on another note i always have to wonder about the concept of a country based on the protecting the concept of individual freedoms, like free speech, but people wanting to force others to conform to respect the symbols of the country that exalts individual freedoms above all.

    I do get the real anger of many people have over the "disrespect".
    But i don't get stuff like 'HAHA! yeses, force them to do my way or else because this is AMERICA, FREEDOM baby YEAH YEAH!'.
    That seems at the least a little inconsistent.
    the "I don't like what you say but i'll defend your right to say it" makes more sense to me.

    It seems many upset with disrespect for the flag see the flag as not so much as a symbol of freedom but MORE as the symbol of the many people who've died to protect the concept of freedom (and in all the other wars right or wrong). And that not respecting the flag and songs is a slight specifically against those in the military. and it should never be done.
    I can understand that point. and i respect that point.
    However I also understand those that do see the flag and all the blood spilled to defend the country as the symbol 1st of the freedom and justice they died to defend. And that furthering that ideal is more important than the symbols and songs themselves. And in fact honors those symbols.

    I'm not sure they'll ever be a way to bridge the gap in viewpoints since emotions run high over such things but I'd like to think at the very least, as Americans we can be ciivl and NOT go 'to war' with each other over people having different but equally HIGH views of what America is and aspires to be.


    REV. Are you an American? If so. Is there anything, anytime, anywhere, for any reason you could ONCE....say something good about a nation that gives you, and all of us the FREEDOMS to whine, complain, and find everything wrong.....as you do, with almost everything????
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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