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    Quote Originally Posted by sundaydriver View Post
    I will always prefer to go out with others and do for my community & It's people what I can rather than sit at home whining and playing victim on the Internet about the problems that I can really not affect. Our Lions club does a lot of good and raises a good amount of funds to so the kids have places to play, help for Seniors, projects for Veteran's, and our community clean up's benefit everyone. Whining doesn't do any of that. Who's side am I on, I would say OUR side!
    Why would you assume that anyone who complains about political issues/candidates on the Internet cannot be "doing anything" for their community? As far as I know these two things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd say people who are passionate enough to be up on the issues and have a strong opinion about them is probably more likely to care about other things as well.

    I complain here, and I volunteer at our local USO. And I also do Stockings for Soldiers. Russ volunteers to play Taps at veterans funerals, and has served food at a local shelter.
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    *not pointing fingers, not you SD, just made me think. I think the last one was tailfins.

    But over the years on these boards, always funny to see some poke at others about spending too much time, or talking about how we waste time here while action can be done. Ummm... aren't the people making these posts doing the very same thing the rest of us are doing? Yups, I believe so.

    Me, I'm the local mayor. And I clean the streets every saturday at 3am. I volunteer at the aspca 2x per week. I feed the homeless on sundays. I help campaign for all of the local candidates, just because it's a good thing to do. Then I sleep for a few hours, and then come here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Why would you assume that anyone who complains about political issues/candidates on the Internet cannot be "doing anything" for their community? As far as I know these two things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd say people who are passionate enough to be up on the issues and have a strong opinion about them is probably more likely to care about other things as well.

    I complain here, and I volunteer at our local USO. And I also do Stockings for Soldiers. Russ volunteers to play Taps at veterans funerals, and has served food at a local shelter.
    Trumpet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Trumpet?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Why would you assume that anyone who complains about political issues/candidates on the Internet cannot be "doing anything" for their community? As far as I know these two things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd say people who are passionate enough to be up on the issues and have a strong opinion about them is probably more likely to care about other things as well.

    I complain here, and I volunteer at our local USO. And I also do Stockings for Soldiers. Russ volunteers to play Taps at veterans funerals, and has served food at a local shelter.
    I didn't mean that to be my point. I was addressing those that do nothing but sit on the Internet and complain and don't participate at all.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundaydriver View Post
    I didn't mean that to be my point. I was addressing those that do nothing but sit on the Internet and complain and don't participate at all.
    Do you consider financial donations more or less important than volunteering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    *not pointing fingers, not you SD, just made me think. I think the last one was tailfins.

    But over the years on these boards, always funny to see some poke at others about spending too much time, or talking about how we waste time here while action can be done. Ummm... aren't the people making these posts doing the very same thing the rest of us are doing? Yups, I believe so.

    Me, I'm the local mayor. And I clean the streets every saturday at 3am. I volunteer at the aspca 2x per week. I feed the homeless on sundays. I help campaign for all of the local candidates, just because it's a good thing to do. Then I sleep for a few hours, and then come here.
    I enjoy my time on here and don't consider it wasted. I'm wasn't trying to be full of hubris even though it did come out that way. My complaint is if all anyone does is sit and complain online, then they really aren't doing anything for change. Get out there and offer your time and effort to make a difference. Kudo's for all volunteerism!
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Do you consider financial donations more or less important than volunteering?
    Of course, but time & effort go a long way too.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundaydriver View Post
    I didn't mean that to be my point. I was addressing those that do nothing but sit on the Internet and complain and don't participate at all.
    I got that and certainly didn't mean just the internet either. Too many seem to think it all 'rests' on whomever is the president. I too have done so, it's not likely that the republic will fall whichever of these two is sworn in come January.

    Reality is that a better community starts there, in the community. It comes down to the people getting involved enough to be vested in moving forward and making improvements.


    "The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I got that and certainly didn't mean just the internet either. Too many seem to think it all 'rests' on whomever is the president. I too have done so, it's not likely that the republic will fall whichever of these two is sworn in come January.

    Reality is that a better community starts there, in the community. It comes down to the people getting involved enough to be vested in moving forward and making improvements.
    I always felt that starting at the bottom and working up was best direction. The local elections where a few voices can make a difference are where my voice is mostly directed.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundaydriver View Post
    I will always prefer to go out with others and do for my community & It's people what I can rather than sit at home whining and playing victim on the Internet about the problems that I can really not affect. Our Lions club does a lot of good and raises a good amount of funds to so the kids have places to play, help for Seniors, projects for Veteran's, and our community clean up's benefit everyone. Whining doesn't do any of that. Who's side am I on, I would say OUR side!
    Who's side am I on, I would say OUR side!
    Kind if vague comment --exactly which side is that(?)--dem/socialist or Republican/Conservative?-TYR

    And I prefer not to proclaim my activities/political contributions ETC. , as my opponents here will say-- its bragging .
    When I give, I do so for a cause, even if its just Christian charity-- not to proclaim my greatness..
    Same way that I speak 100% truth about my past-with no damn sugar coating to make me appear to be some angelic being--I wasn't, as I was one damn tough hombre that was quite savage when angered. And truth is, there are several dozen victims of justice correctly delivered by me and scores more of witnesses to my wild and crazy deeds as a young man- that can attest to that.
    Why would you think you are some exception for what you do??
    I've never broken my principles on being generous to others and defending this nation as a good citizen..
    That is why I will never vote for a damn dem candidate--none of them are worth even spit in the wind, as they are all just tools of the dem party and its traitorous agenda!
    The dem party is perhaps the greatest threat to this nation we face... A very tragic and most sad reality..-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundaydriver View Post
    I enjoy my time on here and don't consider it wasted. I'm wasn't trying to be full of hubris even though it did come out that way. My complaint is if all anyone does is sit and complain online, then they really aren't doing anything for change. Get out there and offer your time and effort to make a difference. Kudo's for all volunteerism!
    I complain online. But I donate from the top down for starters. For the presidency and senate seats I admittedly just donate $ to the candidates I like, when I can. Locally I do similar with the candidates for mayor and such, and support our local police and fire departments with donations often. I'm not a foot soldier though. But I do put money where my fat mouth is.

    I have volunteered at various pet places and kennels over the years for short term help and donations. I also support my local church, but not nearly as much as I should.

    Yeah, all in all at least I do something, but I could certainly do a LOT more. But who's got the time, I'm too busy here complaining!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I complain online. But I donate from the top down for starters. For the presidency and senate seats I admittedly just donate $ to the candidates I like, when I can. Locally I do similar with the candidates for mayor and such, and support our local police and fire departments with donations often. I'm not a foot soldier though. But I do put money where my fat mouth is.

    I have volunteered at various pet places and kennels over the years for short term help and donations. I also support my local church, but not nearly as much as I should.

    Yeah, all in all at least I do something, but I could certainly do a LOT more. But who's got the time, I'm too busy here complaining!
    But complaining about complaining is the best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    But complaining about complaining is the best!
    Complaining helps me narrow down who I need to donate to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundaydriver View Post
    I didn't mean that to be my point. I was addressing those that do nothing but sit on the Internet and complain and don't participate at all.
    And just how exactly, would you know which -- "do nothing but sit on the Internet and complain and don't participate at all."?
    Is there some list here that those -- if doing more-- one must sign and submit as evidence to you..???
    Seeing as how you are still being quite vague about exactly which side you contribute all that great assistance , I reserve my
    right to doubt much of what you post here...
    You know, the usual question of "integrity" --one that we all must consider wisely, when reading any member's posts here.-Tyr
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