How can we stop the polar bear from dying out due to global warming?

[MtnBiker]

BTW, hello to all you old-school USMBers

Hello NightTrian.

Watch Your Six

[Rahul]

You didn't read mine either. Typical.

I don't read biased right wing sources. Next time, do as I did, and quote a piece from a rational source such as those I quote from.

But still, boycott India. OYE!

So, how would a boycott help the bears?

I live in Canada.

That's good to know.

IF the polar bears needed protecting, the govenment would do it for me.

The government is immoral and is doing little to protect the bears.

Socialism does rock at times. What's India doing again? Oh, yeah, nothing. OYE!

Socialism does not rock. Am I assume you to be a socialist apologist? Or are you just an anti-bear Commie?

[MtnBiker]

It looks like Rahul will not find any help in the US Congress, but perhaps with sportsmen.

U.S. House Rejects Polar Bear Hunting Ban
Contributed by U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance
Friday, 29 June 2007

Washington -- The nation's sportsmen have stood up on behalf of polar bear conservation. Congressmen have refused
to impose restrictions on big game hunters that would have crippled polar bear conservation.


On June 27, the U.S. House of Representatives defeated a last minute amendment to HR 2643, the House Interior
Appropriations Bill, which would have banned the import of polar bear trophies. Voting 188 to 242, the House turned
down anti-hunters' efforts to prohibit American big game hunters from pursuing healthy, sustainable polar bear
populations in Canada.



"It appears U.S. representatives recognized that the effort to ban Americans from polar bear hunting is baseless from a
conservation standpoint," said U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance Senior Vice President Rick Story. "Science that shows polar
bear populations are at historic highs and that there are no imminent threats to the healthy, huntable populations."

American sportsmen comprise approximately 90 percent of the foreign hunting clientele in Canada, annually pouring
millions of dollars into polar bear conservation and management, not to mention the financial benefits to the local
communities. American hunters are the primary source of essential funding for conservation and research that allows for
continued success of the populations.

Link

[Said1]

I don't read biased right wing sources. Next time, do as I did, and quote a piece from a rational source such as those I quote from.

I quoted leftist government studies, not right wing propaganda. I also quoted actual protectionist agreements, signed by several nations (India not included, of course ), not cutsie little pics of bears. There are cute though, I must admint that.

So, how would a boycott help the bears?

Dude, use your head, it's not a display unit.

The government is immoral and is doing little to protect the bears.

I see you missed the last link I posted. Nice. Yet typical.

Socialism does not rock. Am I assume you to be a socialist apologist? Or are you just an anti-bear Commie?

Yes, I am a bear hating commie. Pretty funny given the leftist gobbly goop you've been posting as fact. Pretty funny indeed.

Again, let me ask you, what morally righteous actions is India taking to help save the polar bears? Did they draft any legislation, donate money to any causes, fund any artic studies, cut back on emmissions? And don't tell me their half-baked stance on Kyoto counts. Your government is one of the most corrupt and immoral of them all, Rahul. Let's not forget that.

What would Ghandi do? Feed the bears Shiks, whatelse.

[nevadamedic]

I love bears, they are beautiful creatures.

[Said1]

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BTW, wtf is that photo supposed to signify? Are they at Bollywood? Are they you're friends? Do they want to save the polar bears too?

Don't tell me those sneakers are made out of polar bear!

[loosecannon]

No, slick. What happens is a playful bear that's not very hungry will mutilate their playtoy of the moment similar to a cat toying with a mouse. Bears do not skin their fish deliberately. I don't care what your hippie tour guide told you, but it just doesn't happen like you describe.

I have seen it with my own eyes. And it was fully deliberate. The big Brown Bears place a paw on the head, grab the skin behind the gills and strip one whole side off in one motion, then discard the whole fish, not even bothering to strip the skin off the other side. The fat is almost all in the skin, so that' what they ate.

[loosecannon]

You're wrong. When I was growing up in the bush in Talkeetna, we lived 20 miles away from the nearest road and were smack dab in the middle of bear country. We had daily dealings with them coming into our yard or our boat landing due to the fact that we had hundreds of salmon in our smokehouse. Since our landing was well stocked with both 2-stroke oil and 4-stroke oil (even diesel!), I'm confident that at least ONE of the hundreds of bears that wandered through would have taken a bite if what you propose had any merit.

It didn't happen. Not once. In fact, I would venture to say that they were repelled by it, since just about every other item was sampled, including my Dad's brand new $1500.00 canvas top for his jet boat. Everything EXCEPT petroleum products was bitten.

I am guessing those were browns or blacks not Polar bears.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear

Like other bear species, they have developed a liking for garbage as a result of human encroachment. For example, the dump in Churchill, Manitoba is frequently scavenged by polar bears, who have been observed eating, among other things, grease and motor oil.[25].

http://www.polar-bear.info/food.php

Now one might think that there is nothing else for the polar bear to eat out on the frozen tundra, but that is incorrect. Even humans living at those latitudes throw out trash and as most other bears the polar bears are extremely drawn to the possibility of raiding human trashcans a little now and then for a little snack. The garbage dump in Churchill, Manitoba is known for its polar bear visits and as it seems the polar bears are not really picky about what they eat, including car tires and motor oil.

[Rahul]

I see you missed the last link I posted. Nice. Yet typical.

I read it. Hunting is a problem, but the bears are listed as an endangered species in the US so the issue is moot, at least in the US. However, global warming is a very real problem.

Yes, I am a bear hating commie.

I feel bad for you.

Pretty funny given the leftist gobbly goop you've been posting as fact. Pretty funny indeed.

I don't find humor in this situation.

Again, let me ask you, what morally righteous actions is India taking to help save the polar bears?

What could they do other than try and stop global warming?

Did they draft any legislation, donate money to any causes, fund any artic studies, cut back on emmissions? And don't tell me their half-baked stance on Kyoto counts. Your government is one of the most corrupt and immoral of them all, Rahul. Let's not forget that.

I agree. The Indian government is doing nothing to stop global warming. I posted a link showing the US, Europe, Japan, India and China to be the biggest contributors to global warming. The US leads the pack, though.

Further, this is debatepolicy.com, and the focus of debates is on the US. If you wish to start debatepolicyindia.com, by all means do so and I will contribute.

BTW, wtf is that photo supposed to signify?

What do you think?

[NightTrain]

I am guessing those were browns or blacks not Polar bears.

You win a cookie. Are you suggesting that Polar Bears have super powers allowing them to digest oil?

Hell, if that's the case, then we should have shipped them all down to Valdez during the Exxon-Valdez oil spill and saved ourselves millions of dollars in cleanup costs!

Maybe the US Coast Guard can make that a requirement for every oil tanker to carry it's own Polar Bear Oil Response Team.

Oil spill? No sweat! Unleash the Polar Bears!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear

Do you know how Wiki works? The ignorant bastard that wrote that entry for Wiki obviously referenced your little gem at polar-bear.info as it's almost word-for-word!

http://www.polar-bear.info/food.php

Are you shitting me? Take a good close look at www.polar-bear.info and tell me that site was created (in 2006, no less) by a qualified person. Do you really believe that an animal can ingest motor oil and rubber tires? Are you out of your mind?

Who owns that site? What's his qualifications? Nope, doesn't say, does it? Probably a damn good reason for that.

You liberals really have to step back and think for yourself for once.

Read my lips :

Bears. Don't. Consume. Motor. Oil. Or. Tires.

[Rahul]

Bears. Don't. Consume. Motor. Oil. Or. Tires.

The bears scavenge through garbage, and will eat anything they can find. Are we to believe you or our own eyes?

[NightTrain]

The bears scavenge through garbage, and will eat anything they can find. Are we to believe you or our own eyes?

Got lots of Polar Bears there in India, do ya?

Why don't you tell us of your own personal experiences with Bears.

[darin]

Polar bear meat is an excellent source of iron and protein. Polar bear fat provides us with vitamin A and omega-3 fatty acids. These fatty acids help to reduce the risk of heart disease. Polar bear meat is usually baked or boiled in a soup or stew.

[Said1]

I read it. Hunting is a problem, but the bears are listed as an endangered species in the US so the issue is moot, at least in the US. However, global warming is a very real problem.

Hunting is he NUMBER 1 PROBLEM, which, btw is REAL. The point is not moot because the agreement includes protecion of their ecosystems. However, no one is powerful enough to control he weather. Also, I hope you recycled that juice box.

I feel bad for you.

I feel sorry for you too. But I won't say why.

I don't find humor in this situation.

Poor Rahul. The humor is in your factual links, from leftist fear mongers - then you calling me a commie who posts from right wing studies. Duh.

What could they do other than try and stop global warming?

I think I listed some suggestions in the form of questions. Go back and read.

I agree. The Indian government is doing nothing to stop global warming. I posted a link showing the US, Europe, Japan, India and China to be the biggest contributors to global warming. The US leads the pack, though.

Interesting. I didn't look at your data. Did your data also note that on a PER CAPITA basis Canada outranks the US by far? Countries with larger populations tend to look better using a per capita comparisons and can be decieving. That is, the stats can give the false impression of being better or worse based on the TOTAL population - which is also and easy way to skew data in your favor when trying to present senstional, emotion grabbing garbage like you've posted through out this thread.

Further, this is debatepolicy.com, and the focus of debates is on the US. If you wish to start debatepolicyindia.com, by all means do so and I will contribute.

The focus of debate is on anything posted in the correct forum. How about you take your snivellilng little self elsewhere and start your own "Rahul's Rules board" if you can't handle it.

What do you think?

I have no idea what those two children have in common polar bears.

[Said1]

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared...sNav=pb&id=676

The Science Isn't Settled: The Limitations of Global Climate Models
Publication Date: July 2004
Publication Format: Public Policy Sources

Author(s):
Tim Ball, Climatologist, Author & Environmental Consultant,

Dr. Kenneth Green, Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute

Steven Schroeder, Postdoctoral Researcher, Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A&M

Executive Summary: Computerized models of the earth's climate are at the heart of the debate over how policy should respond to climate change. Global climate models (GCMs)--also called general circulation models -- attempt to predict future climatic conditions starting with a set of assumptions about how the climate works and guesses about what a future world might look like in terms of population, energy use, technological development, and so on.

Analysts have pointed out, however, that many of the assumptions used in modeling the climate are of dubious merit, with biases that tend to project catastrophic warming, and have argued that climate models have many limitations that make them unsuitable as the basis for developing public policy. This paper examines two major limitations that hinder the usefullness of climate models to those forming public policy.

Download real, academic study below:

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/...sntSettled.pdf