WATCH: U.K.-Russian Relations At Stake In Probe Of Former Russian Spy Poisoning

[Drummond]

remember once and for all, we'll never wait for the test results. this substance could have been produced by anyone, you still don't understand?

No. You WON'T wait. Why ? Because you know what they'll reveal, that's why.

If you were correct .. then the OPCW's findings would be meaningless. Yet, the world thinks otherwise.

How come ?

Here's the point, I think. Chemical analyses break down the proportions of constituent substances within a material. It may well be that this agent will so precisely match the record the OPCW has for the analysis they have of known Russian samples, that an alternative origin for this latest one is simply ... impossible.

But, hey, you don't care. Deny. Deny again. Deny some more. Whatever it takes ....

[mundame]

I think it is YOU that doesn't understand. I seem to understand perfectly well. Russia produced the chemical as a weapon. Russia is accountable for that weapon it swears was destroyed. Obviously it was not. Who produced it? Russia. See what a nice, neat little conclusion that leads to?

"Anybody" cannot produce chemical weapons that are Nation-specific. They are Nation=specific because that specific nation alone produced them for their sole use as some "bigger and better" weapon. That narrows it down to ONE owner.

As yet, Russia has offered ZERO explanation as to how a Russia-specific chemical weapon could have escaped its control. Until Russia does so, there is no other logical conclusion to come to other than it was used by Russia.

I think it was supposed to be well known it was a Russian attack. That was the point. To scare their own citizens, and also show the West they can attack anywhere. An unidentifiable poison would have been pointless. It wasn't about an old spy and his daughter: it was about propaganda.

We know it's Russian because Putin wants us to know it's Russian ------ and I think that's why the really impressive response by so much of the developed world in reply. This was an explicit attack and we are saying we know it and we aren't having any more of this.

[Papokarlo]

No. You WON'T wait. Why ? Because you know what they'll reveal, that's why.

If you were correct .. then the OPCW's findings would be meaningless. Yet, the world thinks otherwise.

How come ?

Here's the point, I think. Chemical analyses break down the proportions of constituent substances within a material. It may well be that this agent will so precisely match the record the OPCW has for the analysis they have of known Russian samples, that an alternative origin for this latest one is simply ... impossible.

But, hey, you don't care. Deny. Deny again. Deny some more. Whatever it takes ....

This is England, remember once and for all that we will not see the results of the investigation. as with the vial Colin Powell(Found in Iraq chemical weapons?) just like in Yugoslavia, no investigations, and a lot more. No investigation. remember, all in one voice shouted that Russia shot down plane over Ukraine MH17? it's been 5 years, and there's no investigation. But he accused Russia. Maybe someone has proved as the Assad regime in Syria used chemical weapons? but how much noise was in the press. These topics about chemical weapons have already got the world, 11 EU countries refused to join Theresa may and will not expel diplomats. Soon the whole world will understand, and learns truth.

[Drummond]

This is England, remember once and for all that we will not see the results of the investigation. as with the vial Colin Powell(Found in Iraq chemical weapons?) just like in Yugoslavia, no investigations, and a lot more. No investigation. remember, all in one voice shouted that Russia shot down plane over Ukraine MH17? it's been 5 years, and there's no investigation. But he accused Russia. Maybe someone has proved as the Assad regime in Syria used chemical weapons? but how much noise was in the press. These topics about chemical weapons have already got the world, 11 EU countries refused to join Theresa may and will not expel diplomats. Soon the whole world will understand, and learns truth.

Yes. You're 'innocent' of so much, aren't you. NEVER culpable. NEVER to blame. Always 'saintly' in such matters ...

As for what is or is not concluded from investigations, didn't it occur to you that you're drip-fed what the Kremlin wants you to know ?

For some balance in this current situation ... this may be of help ...

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/i...o-arrive-in-uk

Independent technical experts from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will arrive in the UK tomorrow to kick off their investigation into the nerve agent used in the attempted assassinations of Mr Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury on 4 March.

The team from The Hague will meet with officials from the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory and the police to discuss the process for collecting samples, including environmental ones.

These will then be despatched to highly reputable international laboratories selected by the OPCW for testing with results expected to take a minimum of 2 weeks.

This is the next step in the process to independently verify the analysis carried out by the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down. Last Wednesday, the Prime Minister wrote to the OPCW to formally invite them to verify the government’s analysis of the nerve agent used in the Salisbury attack. Subsequently the UK’s Permanent Representative to the OPCW wrote to the Technical Secretariat inviting them to come to the UK to take a sample, under Article 8 of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

It reflects the UK’s commitment to fully complying with the obligations of the Chemical Weapons Convention. On 12 March the Foreign Secretary summoned the Russian Ambassador and sought an explanation from the Russian government, as Article 9 of the convention is clear we have the right to do. We received no meaningful response. It is therefore Russia which is failing to comply with the provisions of the convention. We should resist any Russian attempts to muddy the waters.

The Foreign Secretary revealed this morning that we have information indicating that within the last decade, Russia has investigated ways of delivering nerve agents likely for assassination. And part of this programme has involved producing and stockpiling quantities of Novichok. This is a violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

The start of the investigation by the international chemical weapons watchdog comes as the Foreign Secretary travels to Brussels to brief foreign ministers from across the European Union on the attempted assassinations in Salisbury before meeting with the NATO Secretary General.

As the Foreign Secretary noted this morning, we have been encouraged by the international support we have received to date. More than 20 countries across 6 continents have expressed their solidarity with us and we will continue to work with our European partners and allies around the world to tackle the threat posed by Russia to our collective security.

Russia is acting with hostility, in a manner which contravenes international law, and obviously, there will be countries across the world concerned for their own security, who'll act to preserve it. Russia needs, now, to understand that foreign powers will not stand idly by and just let the threat go unanswered.

You can stand on the side of reputability and decency. Or, you can continue to stand with the aggressors, and follow meekly behind those whose unspoken mantra is 'Might is Right'. Papokarlo, finally make your choice.

Look behind you, before doing so ....

[Papokarlo]

Yes. You're 'innocent' of so much, aren't you. NEVER culpable. NEVER to blame. Always 'saintly' in such matters ...

As for what is or is not concluded from investigations, didn't it occur to you that you're drip-fed what the Kremlin wants you to know ?

For some balance in this current situation ... this may be of help ...

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/i...o-arrive-in-uk



Russia is acting with hostility, in a manner which contravenes international law, and obviously, there will be countries across the world concerned for their own security, who'll act to preserve it. Russia needs, now, to understand that foreign powers will not stand idly by and just let the threat go unanswered.

You can stand on the side of reputability and decency. Or, you can continue to stand with the aggressors, and follow meekly behind those whose unspoken mantra is 'Might is Right'. Papokarlo, finally make your choice.

Look behind you, before doing so ....

this will be tomorrow, then you will see new information that the OPCW is investigating, then you will hear that the OPCW is processing the information, then you will hear something else, but the results you will not see, believe me. just like with the plane shot down over Ukraine MH17

11 EU countries do not agree with Theresa may, and are waiting for the end of the investigation

let me remind you that the substance "Novichok" so it was just developed in America in 1998(This is described in the book of Vila Mirzoyanova, which shows the formula of a substance "A234" and so on)I already gave a link on YouTube

you will be fed Breakfast that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow will be the results.

[Drummond]

this will be tomorrow, then you will see new information that the OPCW is investigating, then you will hear that the OPCW is processing the information, then you will hear something else, but the results you will not see, believe me. just like with the plane shot down over Ukraine MH17

11 EU countries do not agree with Theresa may, and are waiting for the end of the investigation

let me remind you that the substance "Novichok" so it was just developed in America in 1998(This is described in the book of Vila Mirzoyanova, which shows the formula of a substance "A234" and so on)I already gave a link on YouTube

you will be fed Breakfast that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow will be the results.

The OPCW won't release its findings ? Are you serious ??

When they do -- will you apologise ?

By the way, you mention MH17. OK, check this out:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-Brigade.html

A report released by a German investigative group insists it was a Russian missile launcher that shot down flight MH17 in July killing all 298 passengers.

Searching For The Truth, a documentary produced by CORRECT!V, offers fresh testimonies from military experts, separatist fighters and residents of East Ukraine.

They have also collected photo, video and satellite evidence to produce a compelling account of how events unfolded on July 17 last year.

Their findings come just one day after pictures emerged of the Ukrainian air force pilot accused by pro-Russian rebels of being the man who shot the plane down.

The German investigative group claims the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane was shot down by a Buk surface to air missile launcher operated by the 53rd Russian Air Defense Brigade, Kyiv Post reports.

They say the the armed vehicle entered Ukraine to protect Russian armor that had been vulnerable to aerial attack earlier in the conflict - which erupted in April when Kremlin-backed militants seized several government buildings in the Donbas.

Speaking to CORRECT!V, military experts claimed only specially-trained troops acting as a tight and well-drilled unit could have operated the Buk.

They would have had just seconds, from when they sighted the plane, to switch on their radar and accurately fire the rocket.

Reporters working for the German investigative group travelled to the town of Snizhne in east Ukraine, held by Kremlin-backed separatists.

Several people they spoke to in the town described sights and sounds consistent with the launch of a Buk missile on the day flight MH17 crashed.

One witness went further, claiming he had seen the vehicle and then the missile shooting into the sky afterwards.

They said: 'They shot it down. The missile flew from here. We saw it, as it flew. I was in the yard and heard an explosion, a bang. It was a really loud bang. The tiles on my roof shook.

[Gunny]

This is England, remember once and for all that we will not see the results of the investigation. as with the vial Colin Powell(Found in Iraq chemical weapons?) just like in Yugoslavia, no investigations, and a lot more. No investigation. remember, all in one voice shouted that Russia shot down plane over Ukraine MH17? it's been 5 years, and there's no investigation. But he accused Russia. Maybe someone has proved as the Assad regime in Syria used chemical weapons? but how much noise was in the press. These topics about chemical weapons have already got the world, 11 EU countries refused to join Theresa may and will not expel diplomats. Soon the whole world will understand, and learns truth.

Hey Einstein, not for nothing but WE, the USA sold the precursors to chemical weapons to Saddam and the CIA taught his chemists how to refine the chemical weapons they already had.

That's pretty dummy-proof conclusion as well. While Saddam was killing Iranians, he was pretty well-received. Maybe you ought to talk to Putin about that since among his many other dumb moves, he's playing buddy with the Ayatollah. I figure he's suicidal myself. You DO know those Iranians kissing Russia's ass for stuff NOW are going to bite you in the ass later, right?

I'm quite sure in due time, AFTER the honest people have analyzed the sample, Russia will be provided a sample so it can loudly exclaim from the rooftops it's not theirs.

The Hague is Not "Great Britain". It is an international body. That would be the reason Great Britain turned the sample over to IT and NOT Russia so it could "disappear". be disclaimed, called too small, or whatever.

[Papokarlo]

on this forum besides you three, there's someone else?

[Gunny]

on this forum besides you three, there's someone else?

Feel free to count the countries that have imposed sanction on Russia and allied themselves with Great Britain. Last I saw it was up around 14 or 15 or so, not 3. That's ENTIRE countries, not 3 individuals on a message board.

You are aware there's a thread on the mall fire in Russia, right? Maybe you could stop spinning in circles around a baseball bat long enough to comment? Be refreshing for you to address something you may know something about.

[Drummond]

Feel free to count the countries that have imposed sanction on Russia and allied themselves with Great Britain. Last I saw it was up around 14 or 15 or so, not 3. That's ENTIRE countries, not 3 individuals on a message board.

You are aware there's a thread on the mall fire in Russia, right? Maybe you could stop spinning in circles around a baseball bat long enough to comment? Be refreshing for you to address something you may know something about.

The BBC reports that the count's up to 26 countries, Gunny. All 26 having been, if we believed our Russian friend, somehow 'hoodwinked' by us British....

Not included in that total is NATO itself. They, too, have taken their welcome action. Seven diplomats thrown out by them.

Russians REALLY need to drop their arrogance on this issue, and come clean. Admit wrongdoing, pledge to never repeat it. It's from a beginning like this, that something really worthwhile could be built.

Fat chance of that happening, though.

[aboutime]

on this forum besides you three, there's someone else?

Wow. Papokario....you sound more like a Liberal, Leftist, Democrat every time you come here.

Did Putin tell you to write that????

[Papokarlo]

Wow. Papokario....you sound more like a Liberal, Leftist, Democrat every time you come here.

Did Putin tell you to write that????