Food for thought about what is happening in America today.

[aboutime]

FROM THE BIBLE: Timothy 2.3.

The Dangers of the Last Days
1You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times.
2For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred.
3They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good.
4They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God.
5They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!
6They are the kind who work their way into people’s homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires.
7(Such women are forever following new teachings, but they are never able to understand the truth.)
8These teachers oppose the truth just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses. They have depraved minds and a counterfeit faith.
9But they won’t get away with this for long. Someday everyone will recognize what fools they are, just as with Jannes and Jambres.

Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I was very surprised, and checked on my own.
This perfectly describes just about everything WE THE PEOPLE are being subjected to by the Democrat, Radicals, and Athiests who Hate Trump, and America.

[Drummond]

FROM THE BIBLE: Timothy 2.3.

The Dangers of the Last Days
1You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times.
2For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred.
3They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good.
4They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God.
5They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!
6They are the kind who work their way into people’s homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires.
7(Such women are forever following new teachings, but they are never able to understand the truth.)
8These teachers oppose the truth just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses. They have depraved minds and a counterfeit faith.
9But they won’t get away with this for long. Someday everyone will recognize what fools they are, just as with Jannes and Jambres.

Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I was very surprised, and checked on my own.
This perfectly describes just about everything WE THE PEOPLE are being subjected to by the Democrat, Radicals, and Athiests who Hate Trump, and America.

Were more people willing to open their eyes, Aboutime, a proper understanding of the great threat America faces would be all too apparent.

I know how ungodly and pernicious the anti-Conservative and anti-Christian forces truly are. The fact is that Obama, as awful as he was, gave you all but the merest taste of Socialism. There is FAR worse out there, that hasn't even touched America yet.

Your Socialists - if ever allowed to - will facilitate ALL of it.

Imagine so-called 'standards' being widely adopted which insist that Christianity must receive no more favoured status than (for example) Islam, BY LAW. That public criticism of anti-Christian creeds is outlawed, that anyone trying it risks arrest.

Imagine a 'perspective' where individualism is reviled. Where what authorities tell you is a preferred way of viewing things, is the way you MUST think. That you MUST behave accordingly.

Imagine an America where, if you fly your national flag, you can be reviled for it, accused of racist bigotry, for daring to be 'jingoistic' enough in resisting the encroachment of foreign cultures.

I've seen it all. How ? By living in a land where Socialists have been given power and scope to arrange it.

Unless America fully understands the nature of its enemy, you, too, will see every bit of this come to pass.

[aboutime]

Were more people willing to open their eyes, Aboutime, a proper understanding of the great threat America faces would be all too apparent.

I know how ungodly and pernicious the anti-Conservative and anti-Christian forces truly are. The fact is that Obama, as awful as he was, gave you all but the merest taste of Socialism. There is FAR worse out there, that hasn't even touched America yet.

Your Socialists - if ever allowed to - will facilitate ALL of it.

Imagine so-called 'standards' being widely adopted which insist that Christianity must receive no more favoured status than (for example) Islam, BY LAW. That public criticism of anti-Christian creeds is outlawed, that anyone trying it risks arrest.

Imagine a 'perspective' where individualism is reviled. Where what authorities tell you is a preferred way of viewing things, is the way you MUST think. That you MUST behave accordingly.

Imagine an America where, if you fly your national flag, you can be reviled for it, accused of racist bigotry, for daring to be 'jingoistic' enough in resisting the encroachment of foreign cultures.

I've seen it all. How ? By living in a land where Socialists have been given power and scope to arrange it.

Unless America fully understands the nature of its enemy, you, too, will see every bit of this come to pass.

As a veteran, like so many others here on DP. We know, first hand, what such a society of socialists can bring. We saw much of it during the Obama KINGDOM, that has eroded into the fabric of our Government, from the Top, Down. Veritas has been showing the evil growing, and as I said....We Veterans were actually identified, and accused during the Obama rein as Home Grown Terrorists, Anarchists, and Murderers by him, and the desperate, liberal, Democrat party of hatred.
We have one last chance to change the direction. And that can only come in November.
If Republicans, Conservatives, Christian's and Honorable people lose the House of Representatives, or the Senate.

AMERICA will become "The New Socialist States of the E.U. "

A banana republic where Sharia law will be permitted to VOID our Constitution.

And I am not joking on this. Watch for the worst to occur to our President. We have a multitude of wacky, miserable, out of control Anarchists who all believe they are worthy of Martyrdom.

[Drummond]

As a veteran, like so many others here on DP. We know, first hand, what such a society of socialists can bring. We saw much of it during the Obama KINGDOM, that has eroded into the fabric of our Government, from the Top, Down. Veritas has been showing the evil growing, and as I said....We Veterans were actually identified, and accused during the Obama rein as Home Grown Terrorists, Anarchists, and Murderers by him, and the desperate, liberal, Democrat party of hatred.
We have one last chance to change the direction. And that can only come in November.
If Republicans, Conservatives, Christian's and Honorable people lose the House of Representatives, or the Senate.

AMERICA will become "The New Socialist States of the E.U. "

A banana republic where Sharia law will be permitted to VOID our Constitution.

And I am not joking on this. Watch for the worst to occur to our President. We have a multitude of wacky, miserable, out of control Anarchists who all believe they are worthy of Martyrdom.

Well said, Aboutime.

Even so .. Obama just gave you the merest taste of Socialism in Government. Check out what happens in the UK to realise how much worse true, unfettered Socialism, can mete out.

'ObamaCare', for example, was only a pale shadow of our NHS (National Health Service) ... with alternatives to the NHS existing, but nothing like as accessible as NHS treatments are.

The NHS gives passably good care, when it runs well. When it fails to, the results can be catastrophic. We have stories of hospitals giving such poor treatments that deaths in their hundreds have been known, from a single Health Trust.

It does, of course, swallow money to a massive extent, funded courtesy of taxation. You pay for it, without choice in that existing.

There are other examples of Socialism, of course. Mass nationalisation. Plundering corpses for organs (the legal term permitting it, so far in Wales but soon to be expanded, is called 'Presumed Consent') .... abortion accepted as a norm ... etc etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-24032031

People in Wales will be presumed to have agreed for their organs to be donated after death from December 2015.

Wales will be the first UK nation to introduce a system where consent is assumed unless people have opted out.

The legislation, described by ministers as the "most significant" the Welsh assembly had passed, received royal assent on Tuesday.

Currently, people across the UK join a voluntary scheme and carry a card if they wish to donate organs.

A two-year information campaign is planned in Wales, to ensure everyone is aware of the changes.

Wales is run by a Socialist National Assembly, based in Cardiff. Presumed consent is the exact opposite of the previous system, where you opt to carry a donor card, PERMITTING organ donation. Presumed consent means the State automatically presumes you wish it to remove organs, if you haven't registered your non-permission, provably so, beforehand.

[aboutime]

Well said, Aboutime.

Even so .. Obama just gave you the merest taste of Socialism in Government. Check out what happens in the UK to realise how much worse true, unfettered Socialism, can mete out.

'ObamaCare', for example, was only a pale shadow of our NHS (National Health Service) ... with alternatives to the NHS existing, but nothing like as accessible as NHS treatments are.

The NHS gives passably good care, when it runs well. When it fails to, the results can be catastrophic. We have stories of hospitals giving such poor treatments that deaths in their hundreds have been known, from a single Health Trust.

It does, of course, swallow money to a massive extent, funded courtesy of taxation. You pay for it, without choice in that existing.

There are other examples of Socialism, of course. Mass nationalisation. Plundering corpses for organs (the legal term permitting it, so far in Wales but soon to be expanded, is called 'Presumed Consent') .... abortion accepted as a norm ... etc etc.

We thankfully have a President who isn't afraid of those who hate him, and American ways of living. I should honestly feel ashamed of myself for feeling as defenseless as I do, because of my age. Though I worry about our son's, and our grandchildren, and what their future holds. I wuss out in a way, by assuring myself I probably won't be around long enough to see the total demise of the country I love, and gave most of my life to...for nothing but the satisfaction of being part of what this country really is.
Sometimes. I just feel like throwing up my hands, and sounding like Hillary Clinton "What difference does it make now?" But, I can't. Until my last breath. I will FIGHT to keep this nation as the nation I grew up in. Even if it means dying.
I know that sounds harsh. But unless all of America comes together to fight the menace of IGNORANCE, and STUPIDITY, based on hatred of anyone who doesn't agree. We might as well just bury our heads, and watch a repeat of the FALL OF ROME.

[Noir]

Re: Failure of the state - I was listening to Yuval Noah Harari speak and he was asked about the current situation about the pending elections in Brazil, and he had the following to say about democracies, which is just as well applies to the American republic.

“Democracy is not a kind of panacea that works everywhere/anytime, it needs some basic conditions to function. It needs certain technologies, it needs a certain level of education, and it needs a certain level of consensus. Unfortunately if you have a situation where you have no consensus about the most fundamental values of a society a democracy can not function.”

[Drummond]

Re: Failure of the state - I was listening to Yuval Noah Harari speak and he was asked about the current situation about the pending elections in Brazil, and he had the following to say about democracies, which is just as well applies to the American republic.

“Democracy is not a kind of panacea that works everywhere/anytime, it needs some basic conditions to function. It needs certain technologies, it needs a certain level of education, and it needs a certain level of consensus. Unfortunately if you have a situation where you have no consensus about the most fundamental values of a society a democracy can not function.”

Consensus. Well .. what are elections for ?

Education is fine, though, is it vital ? Sheer commonsense .. also useful, and surely completely vital ! An uneducated individual can nonetheless possess commonsense.

As for 'certain technologies' ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

Athenian democracy developed around the fifth century BC in the Greek city-state (known as a polis) of Athens, comprising the city of Athens and the surrounding territory of Attica, and is often described as the first known democracy in the world. Other Greek cities set up democracies, most following the Athenian model, but none are as well documented as Athens'.

Noir, the ancient Athenians managed well enough !

A democratic society depends on the Will of the People. Since the best societies are those which best serve what their citizens need from it, democracy is the best facilitator of that there is.

Compare that with the 'mind management' of the Left, dictating for us what THEY want people to think !

[Noir]

The technologies and education required are of the level like ‘reading and writing’. A society without a technology like an alphabet (or equivalent) would struggle to have a stable democracy, to the point of impossibility.

As for election consensus- it is not the result, but the manor by which the result is arrived at that is a shows the consensus of principles (or lack of) in a society.

[Drummond]

The technologies and education required are of the level like ‘reading and writing’. A society without a technology like an alphabet (or equivalent) would struggle to have a stable democracy, to the point of impossibility.

As for election consensus- it is not the result, but the manor by which the result is arrived at that is a shows the consensus of principles (or lack of) in a society.

The correct spelling is 'manner', Noir. Comprehensive education standards (system introduced by Labour, several decades ago) working well for you, there ?

As to your points:

1. I'm curious. Are you aware of a society, anywhere, lacking an alphabet ?

Dictatorships DO tend to be as 'alphabet rich' as democracies, Noir !! I really don't see how you can advance your case on that point.

2. Yes. Democratic votes do show consensus, by their very nature (unless the vote is too close to achieve an outright decision, that is). A consensus agreed by a majority .. it's hard to imagine anything better ... ??

Noir, these are so obscure points you're making - compared to the subject of the thread - that I'm wondering if you're trying to derail the thread ?

If so ... please explain WHY you have that intention ....

[FakeNewsSux]

The technologies and education required are of the level like ‘reading and writing’. A society without a technology like an alphabet (or equivalent) would struggle to have a stable democracy, to the point of impossibility.

As for election consensus- it is not the result, but the manor by which the result is arrived at that is a shows the consensus of principles (or lack of) in a society.

That is why our founding fathers found democracy abhorrent and established a constitutional republic that clearly lays out the rights of the individual citizen with broad protections for minorities. A lynch mob is the purest form of democracy. This is why the Democrat Party is doing everything in its' power to abolish our constitutional republic and firmly establish a democracy. It was so easy to run the show in the southern US when you could just send out your paramilitary arm, the KKK, to lynch any uppity black or smart ass Republican that dared question your authority.

Even today's run of the mill Democrat blanches at such direct action. They prefer a more subtle form of control. Flooding the electorate with millions of non English speaking, State dependent "voters", NEA foot soldiers teaching social justice instead of reading, writing and arithmetic, quashing of voter registration regulations, selective nullification of federal law, the list is endless. But to show they still mean business, they are still willing to call Antifa and Black Lives Matter out into the streets with baseball bats and crowbars in hand to show everyone 'what democracy looks like'.

[aboutime]

I suspect, both Noir, and petey are related. They share the same mentality, as in dependence on Liberal Fantasy, enforced by liberal lies, called facts.

[Drummond]

I suspect, both Noir, and petey are related. They share the same mentality, as in dependence on Liberal Fantasy, enforced by liberal lies, called facts.

Well, they share the same vision, I'm sure.

I'm also sure that Pete dreams of turning America into a clone of the UK ... world standing much diminished, military power likewise, and a society in which the individual has very little worth and in their eyes, is only worth 'herding' in their chosen direction.