Anti-Brexit scaremongering ....

[Gunny]

Indeed ... we've massively bankrolled them, in past years. Why do you think the demand for a 'divorce settlement' was as massive as it was, and demanded of us so speedily ? BECAUSE THE EU DIDN'T WANT TO BE OUT OF POCKET, BECAUSE OF OUR LEAVING THEM, FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO COME !!

You might find this instructive. Open the link. Look at the graph. Note particularly the positioning of the 'crosses', denoting 'Net Contributions'. Ours is the second highest of all the EU countries accounted for.

Note also that we always give more to the EU than we get back from them ...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit...6-12?r=US&IR=T

As for your German satirical programme (you used the American spelling, not the British one ? Interesting ..) .. aren't you just making my overall point for me ? The Germans, along with the EU more generally, have no respect for us. They deride us. Little wonder that Mrs May returned from her meeting with EU leaders so angry that she even gave public voice to it, in her media 'summary of progress', a few weeks ago.

The EU changed its tune - a little - after her broadcast. As well they might ... despite their disrespect, the EU still want us to be willing to pay their extortion demands, once everything (- they arrogantly hope -) is settled to THEIR, not OUR, satisfaction.

As for the future ... 'we live in interesting times'. Mrs May is telling us the truth in saying that the deal we have is the only one the EU will settle on. So, what does that mean for any 'no' vote the Commons delivers to Mrs May's Government ?

The EU is way too arrogant to alter its thinking for our sake. The 'option' for deal tweaking or other reconsiderations is purely imaginary ... dreamed up by an arrogant Labour Party, somehow believing that at this stage the EU would show them, or anybody on our side of the fence, any deference whatever.

A 'no' vote will kill off any deal-based Brexit.

We will have - according to Mrs May's 'about-face', just now emerging - TWO options.

1. Crash out of the EU, minus any deal
2. Forget leaving the EU entirely !

Option 2 is much preferred by the EU, of course. Contempt for us or not, they WANT OUR CONTINUED FUNDING !! Additionally, the EU convinces its Member States of the impossibility of their leaving the EU themselves ... a lesson much-prized by any protection racket run anywhere on the planet.

I suspect that the voting Public throughout the UK will feel total disgust (leading to violence in the streets ??) at the dismissal of their democratic expectations. Few would place trust in future Referenda, and any Government's willingness to see decisions from them through to the end.

Option 1 is one which will disadvantage us in the short term. However, with the newly-won freedom to, yes, actually trade with anyone we want (!!!) .. something the disgusting EU is still determined to stamp on !! ... in the long term, we'll prosper. Massively so.

Your posts are very informative. Does the US Democratic party run the EU? Sounds like it.

[Drummond]

Your posts are very informative. Does the US Democratic party run the EU? Sounds like it.

I'm sure that they wish they did !

In any case: Obama was so friendly towards them as to - do you recall this ? - try and skew our Referendum vote in the EU's favour. Remember his telling the UK that if we voted to leave the EU, we could forget doing trade deals with the US ? We were told we could expect to go to the back of the queue for such deals, if we voted in a way he didn't approve of.

This didn't go down too well with Brits, as you can imagine. I think we looked upon him less favourably as a result of his clear intention to interfere with our democratic decision.

President Trump's approach couldn't be more different. He's pleased with the Referendum vote, and is keen to forge new and close trading ties with the UK ... IF ... we rid ourselves of the EU entirely.

[Gunny]

I'm sure that they wish they did !

In any case: Obama was so friendly towards them as to - do you recall this ? - try and skew our Referendum vote in the EU's favour. Remember his telling the UK that if we voted to leave the EU, we could forget doing trade deals with the US ? We were told we could expect to go to the back of the queue for such deals, if we voted in a way he didn't approve of.

This didn't go down too well with Brits, as you can imagine. I think we looked upon him less favourably as a result of his clear intention to interfere with our democratic decision.

President Trump's approach couldn't be more different. He's pleased with the Referendum vote, and is keen to forge new and close trading ties with the UK ... IF ... we rid ourselves of the EU entirely.

I vaguely recall Obama saying such. He was about as anti-American and our allies as it gets so it isn't surprising.

That also reinforces my point that was I the UK, I'd jump ship NOW while Trump is the US President. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to make a deal with the UK just to thumb the EU in the eye if nothing else.

[aboutime]

[Drummond]

Wow.

Now that there's a fierce battle being waged for the 'hearts and minds' of anyone who'd oppose Theresa May's deal, this in the run-up to the all-important (hoped-for) ratification of the deal in the UK Parliament in 2 weeks ... 'Project Fear' has been re-animated with a vengeance. From Mark Carney, a warning from the Bank of England that our GDP would nosedive, making our economy contract, if we end up with no deal with the EU.

Ah, but now, we have even THIS ......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hZxkbhwai8Fyl8

Britain would run out of clean drinking water within days of a no-deal Brexit in a doomsday scenario that convinced Michael Gove to back Theresa May’s deal.

Whitehall disaster planners have warned Ministers that leaving the EU without a deal could spark a national crisis as crucial chemicals used in water purification are imported to the UK from Europe.

The deliveries risk getting caught in weeks of border chaos if Britain quits the EU next March without the Prime Minister’s deal with Brussels being approved by MPs.

The vital chemicals are timed to arrive ‘just in time’ and cannot be stockpiled as they are too volatile, meaning water plants would have to turn off the taps as soon as they ran out or risk poisoning millions.

Offices and schools would close and hospitals plunged into chaos.

Everyone knows that we had no water fit to drink, before tying ourselves to Europe. Well ... don't they ??

This is 'Project Fear' sinking to a new low. There is literally NO depth the 'powers-that-be' won't sink to, to see to it that Mrs May's sellout deal succeeds.

[aboutime]

Wow.

Now that there's a fierce battle being waged for the 'hearts and minds' of anyone who'd oppose Theresa May's deal, this in the run-up to the all-important (hoped-for) ratification of the deal in the UK Parliament in 2 weeks ... 'Project Fear' has been re-animated with a vengeance. From Mark Carney, a warning from the Bank of England that our GDP would nosedive, making our economy contract, if we end up with no deal with the EU.

Ah, but now, we have even THIS ......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hZxkbhwai8Fyl8



Everyone knows that we had no water fit to drink, before tying ourselves to Europe. Well ... don't they ??

This is 'Project Fear' sinking to a new low. There is literally NO depth the 'powers-that-be' won't sink to, to see to it that Mrs May's sellout deal succeeds.

Did Mrs. May have a secret affair with Obama? No wonder Obama's other Half/male/female, Michelle always has such a scowl on her face! Sounds like Madam May attended the American, Democrat party DNC training school for convincing voters that Kool-aid from cesspool's can be used to appease Anti-Brexit idiots.
By the way. Why doesn't May seek out the U.S.A. for the chemicals needed for purification?
Just wondering?

[Drummond]

Did Mrs. May have a secret affair with Obama? No wonder Obama's other Half/male/female, Michelle always has such a scowl on her face! Sounds like Madam May attended the American, Democrat party DNC training school for convincing voters that Kool-aid from cesspool's can be used to appease Anti-Brexit idiots.

By the way. Why doesn't May seek out the U.S.A. for the chemicals needed for purification?
Just wondering?

Interesting point.

... Well. Since we're discussing the outcome of a 'no deal' Brexit, in that scenario, nothing would prevent her doing exactly that. She DOES have four months to make arrangements ... and significantly longer if in fact the chemicals needed could be stockpiled (.. or ARE being, even now).

It's not as though a 'no deal' Brexit kills off trade with the EU in any case. We'd still trade with the EU, still buy what we needed, just on terms not quite as 'cozy' as they were when we were a member of their trading club. What we'd be doing, at minimum, was arranging a stopgap between our need for them, and the end of a temporary delay of supply at the EU end of things.

Of course, we might just decide that the EU had become too unreliable to trade with ... in which case, it's the EU's loss, and the US's gain.

'Project Fear' will, of course, reflect none of this.

[aboutime]

Interesting point.

... Well. Since we're discussing the outcome of a 'no deal' Brexit, in that scenario, nothing would prevent her doing exactly that. She DOES have four months to make arrangements ... and significantly longer if in fact the chemicals needed could be stockpiled (.. or ARE being, even now).

It's not as though a 'no deal' Brexit kills off trade with the EU in any case. We'd still trade with the EU, still buy what we needed, just on terms not quite as 'cozy' as they were when we were a member of their trading club. What we'd be doing, at minimum, was arranging a stopgap between our need for them, and the end of a temporary delay of supply at the EU end of things.

Of course, we might just decide that the EU had become too unreliable to trade with ... in which case, it's the EU's loss, and the US's gain.

'Project Fear' will, of course, reflect none of this.

I worry that the U.K. will become the victim of the EU in all kinds of trade. What laws are in place to prevent the EU from overcharging for all goods, oil, medicine, food, water chem's if they become the EXTORTIONISTS they appear to be???
Our president know's all about how the EU operates, and he can help the U.K. and Madam May to overcome all of the threats of extortion from the EU in an instant.

Somebody only needs to ask since....AS I RECALL. Great Britain and Israel are TWO of our greatest ALLIES. And we NEVER let our Allies fend for themselves. Unless Obama is in office.

[Drummond]

I worry that the U.K. will become the victim of the EU in all kinds of trade. What laws are in place to prevent the EU from overcharging for all goods, oil, medicine, food, water chem's if they become the EXTORTIONISTS they appear to be???
Our president know's all about how the EU operates, and he can help the U.K. and Madam May to overcome all of the threats of extortion from the EU in an instant.

Somebody only needs to ask since....AS I RECALL. Great Britain and Israel are TWO of our greatest ALLIES. And we NEVER let our Allies fend for themselves. Unless Obama is in office.

I appreciate your sentiment very much. Thank you, Aboutime.

You make an excellent case. Nothing prevents EU-based companies from charging what they like, if previous rules allowing us preferential treatment no longer apply. The only answer would be for us to seek out an alternative source of what we need.

The only 'wriggle room' we'd have is to say to one company, 'We have a better deal open to us from a competitor of yours. Which would mean nothing, if companies decided between them to single us out for extortionate prices, perhaps agreeing between themselves to do so.

This is why your suggestion of going to the US is an ideal answer, assuming of course that they'd assist us in a trade (as I'm sure they would) which was far fairer.