Page 2 of 21 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 311
  1. #16
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    191
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Given)
    1
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Firstly ... congratulations are in order. Farah, I applaud your approach. Instead of merely posting material, you are now making efforts to enter into debate. This is what we're here for !

    I have a couple of questions (granted, they don't particularly address the main subject, though I still think there's relevance in them ..).

    1. You say 'You should take your soldiers away as quick as possible'. I want to get the fullest sense of why you say that. Is it a friendly piece of advice, or, is its fullest meaning that of a more intolerant spirit ? I ask because I don't get any sense from your posting that you adopt any pro-Western sympathies, to put it mildly.

    2. I noted that in a previous post, you included this ... I quote verbatim:



    Please explain your use of quotation marks. This comes across as a non-acceptance of the accuracy of what you're saying. Are you implying that the US should not be regarded as an ally ? More critically, perhaps ... you also seem to question (from the same level of judgment employed) a questioning of whether ISIS ever seized the region they in fact HAD seized.

    It's possible to discern from all of this that you're fundamentally anti-US, and critical of reports which objectively describe ISIS's actions. From this, I must ask: do you retain sympathy, or any level of support at all, for ISIS .. ?

    You were also invited to enter a debate in my first topic, but you did not, because you didnt like to face with facts.

    Yes this is a friendly advice, we would not like to harm our allies. There are not only US units, there are units from different Western countries. I put it in quotes because yes we are allies on the paper but most of Turkish people (at least %60-70) does not like and even hates US govt. It is nothing different for US too, US dont likes Turkiye (and dont like many other countries) but see them as "tools" to achieve their goals. So in summary we are allies because US needs Turkiye in this region. US govt also wants to take control of their "allies" and they hate the ones they cant control, for example current Turkish govt. I put the "seize" part into question marks because most of people around ME thinks that ISIS is just a theatre and just another tool used by different countries, especially by US.
    Last edited by Farah; 12-12-2018 at 10:42 AM.

  2. #17
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    4,853
    Thanks (Given)
    960
    Thanks (Received)
    3749
    Likes (Given)
    535
    Likes (Received)
    854
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    17759699

    Default

    So, now that we have established that Farah does not like the US and has no interest in alternative points of view on her postings, I presume we can move on to bigger and better things. Clearly, nothing Farah can post here will win any friends for Turkey or recruits for ISIS from this membership.
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson


  3. Thanks Gunny, Drummond thanked this post
  4. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    49,579
    Thanks (Given)
    36105
    Thanks (Received)
    27789
    Likes (Given)
    3460
    Likes (Received)
    11179
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    396 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475548

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farah View Post
    You were also invited to enter a debate in my first topic, but you did not, because you didnt like to face with facts.

    Yes this is a friendly advice, we would not like to harm our allies. There are not only US units, there are units from different Western countries. I put it in quotes because yes we are allies on the paper but most of Turkish people (at least %60-70) does not like and even hates US govt. It is nothing different for US too, US dont likes Turkiye (and dont like many other countries) but see them as "tools" to achieve their goals. So in summary we are allies because US needs Turkiye in this region. US govt also wants to take control of their "allies" and they hate the ones they cant control, for example current Turkish govt. I put the "seize" part into question marks because most of people around ME dont think that ISIS is just a theatre and just another tool used by different countries, especially by US.
    Present some facts. Real ones.Correction: The US "needed" (past Tense) Turkey in the region. That was before technology made you obsolete. We don't have Cold War listening posts anymore.

    You give yourself too much credit. Most Americans don't know a damned thing about Turkey and could care less about the place, much less bother hating you. Turks hate the US because you had to crawl to us on your knees for protection against the Soviet Union and you just can't stand that fact. It doesn't go with your over-inflated egos.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  5. Thanks Drummond thanked this post
    Likes Drummond liked this post
  6. #19
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    191
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Given)
    1
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Today US backed terror groups held a bomb attack to a hospital in Al-Bab town of Syria which was controlled by ISIS and seized by Turkish Army. (Which was probably planned to be seized by US backed terror groups if Turkiye would not involve) and murdered 8 years old kid. You wont hear such kind of news in your "free" country.
    Last edited by Farah; 12-12-2018 at 10:52 AM.

  7. #20
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    191
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Given)
    1
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Today, another bomb attack done to Cobanbey town of Syria by US backed terror groups, wounds 6 people. Why US backed groups are attacking these regions ? Because these regions were the part of their imaginary illegal country and they gets mad beucase they could not invade these towns under the pretext of "figthing" ISIS.
    Last edited by Farah; 12-12-2018 at 10:55 AM.

  8. #21
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    4,853
    Thanks (Given)
    960
    Thanks (Received)
    3749
    Likes (Given)
    535
    Likes (Received)
    854
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    17759699

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farah View Post
    Today US backed terror groups held a bomb attack to a hospital in Al-Bab town of Syria which was controlled by ISIS and seized by Turkish Army. (Which was probably planned to be seized by US backed terror groups if Turkiye would not involve) and murdered 8 years old kid. You wont hear such kind of news in your "free" country.
    Oh we hear about it ... along with reams of other propaganda being spewed by ISIS sympathizers. While we are at it, lets mention the 40,000 people slaughtered by the Turkish government since 1984 or the 1600 human rights violations committed by the Turks (according to the UN) and the 80+ journalists locked up by that same government (so much for YOUR "freedom").


    Works both ways Farah...
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson


  9. Thanks Abbey Marie, Gunny, Drummond thanked this post
    Likes Tyr-Ziu Saxnot liked this post
  10. #22
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    South Wales, UK
    Posts
    11,895
    Thanks (Given)
    20722
    Thanks (Received)
    8222
    Likes (Given)
    2213
    Likes (Received)
    1128
    Piss Off (Given)
    5
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    164 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    19319423

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farah View Post
    You were also invited to enter a debate in my first topic, but you did not, because you didnt like to face with facts.

    Yes this is a friendly advice, we would not like to harm our allies. There are not only US units, there are units from different Western countries. I put it in quotes because yes we are allies on the paper but most of Turkish people (at least %60-70) does not like and even hates US govt. It is nothing different for US too, US dont likes Turkiye (and dont like many other countries) but see them as "tools" to achieve their goals. So in summary we are allies because US needs Turkiye in this region. US govt also wants to take control of their "allies" and they hate the ones they cant control, for example current Turkish govt. I put the "seize" part into question marks because most of people around ME thinks that ISIS is just a theatre and just another tool used by different countries, especially by US.
    I saw no invitation for debate in the thread containing your 'first topic'. All you did was offer us material ... minus additional debate from yourself.

    This is why your current contribution invites greater welcome ... NOW, you're debating with us.

    You say that 60-70 percent of the Turkish people hate the US Government. Why ? Is it personal dislike of just the current Government, or are they hated just for being American, and daring to have a world presence which best befits both their power and values ?

    Your claim that the US dislikes Turkey and most other countries is surely ludicrous. I must make clear, if you're not already aware of it, that I'm not American myself, but British. Nonetheless, I state with confidence that your assertion is ludicrous ... I believe that most Americans are too busy with other issues, not least their own domestic ones, to retain much knowledge of Turkey, much less consciously decide to 'hate' that country.

    For your part, to what extent is that true in reverse, and how much of this 'hatred' of America from your side of things comes from ill-informed propaganda sources ? I invite your honest response to that question, Farah ...

    I think it's from that ill-informed basis that you also presume the US wishes to 'control' its allies. I say .. 'NONSENSE' to that charge. The US is a world leader in advocating the value of freedom ... it's core to what the American people believe in.

    And I can speak as a citizen of a 'US ally' nation myself. I assure you, the US definitely does NOT 'control' us !!! [If any power is a far better candidate for that of a 'control freak' entity ... it's the European Union .....].
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

  11. Thanks CSM, Tyr-Ziu Saxnot thanked this post
    Likes CSM, Tyr-Ziu Saxnot liked this post
  12. #23
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    49,579
    Thanks (Given)
    36105
    Thanks (Received)
    27789
    Likes (Given)
    3460
    Likes (Received)
    11179
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    396 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475548

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farah View Post
    Today US backed terror groups held a bomb attack to a hospital in Al-Bab town of Syria which was controlled by ISIS and seized by Turkish Army. (Which was probably planned to be seized by US backed terror groups if Turkiye would not involve) and murdered 8 years old kid. You wont hear such kind of news in your "free" country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Farah View Post
    Today, another bomb attack done to Cobanbey town of Syria by US backed terror groups, wounds 6 people. Why US backed groups are attacking these regions ? Because these regions were the part of their imaginary illegal country and they gets mad beucase they could not invade these towns under the pretext of "figthing" ISIS.
    I want to thank you, Turk. Thanks for proving EVERYTHING I have posted about Turks and Turkey whenever the topic has come up. You indeed are everything i have ever stated and more.

    You couldn't have done a better job
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  13. Thanks Drummond, Tyr-Ziu Saxnot thanked this post
  14. #24
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    191
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Given)
    1
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    Oh we hear about it ... along with reams of other propaganda being spewed by ISIS sympathizers. While we are at it, lets mention the 40,000 people slaughtered by the Turkish government since 1984 or the 1600 human rights violations committed by the Turks (according to the UN) and the 80+ journalists locked up by that same government (so much for YOUR "freedom").


    Works both ways Farah...

    So again are you trying to justify a crime by falsely blaming someone else with the same crime as you did in my first topic ? This does not make you innocent. If what you mean by "40.000" is terror organization members, this is what happens if you are a terrorist. They are also recognized as terrorists by US govt. Seem like you are not even aware of your own govt.

    Having a journalist ID card does not make you someone untouchabled, if you violate the laws you will be punished. This is another issue that Western people are heavily brainwashed by their govt and govt controlled media. Most of these so called "journalists" has direct ties with terror organizations. Actually these fake personal images like "journalist" or "prolector in an Universty" or "Christian priest or imam" or "charity workers" are just popular covers for terrorists. On the other hand, there are not 80 journalist in Turkiye, there are 14.000 journalist in Turkiye who has media ID cards. You can accept these 80 people as "Julian Assange" or "Snowden" of Turkiye, when we ignore Assange and Snowden are much more innocent then the ones we have.
    Last edited by Farah; 12-12-2018 at 11:48 AM.

  15. #25
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    49,579
    Thanks (Given)
    36105
    Thanks (Received)
    27789
    Likes (Given)
    3460
    Likes (Received)
    11179
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    396 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475548

    Default

    https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east...flare-up-21612

    Stop attacking Gaza – Turkey tells Israel
    On Tuesday, Turkey called for end to "Israel's unlawful, tyranny and occupying attitude" in Gaza.
    "Israel should stop these attacks immediately against the people of Gaza,” Turkey's presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin said in a statement.
    "The world should say 'stop' to the invading and expansionist policies of Israel which aims to to turn Palestinian land into an open air prison besides the provocative action of changing the status of Jerusalem. Turkey will continue to support the rightful cause of the Palestinian people."
    Some morning hypocrisy.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  16. Thanks Drummond, Tyr-Ziu Saxnot thanked this post
  17. #26
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    191
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Given)
    1
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Okay lets back to the main subject.


    In the region where Turkiye is going to start an operation, there are ;

    - 4000 US soldiers
    - 300 France soldiers
    - 100 British soldiers
    - 50 Italian soldiers
    - 60.000 PKK terrorists
    - 26 US military bases
    - 1 France military base
    Last edited by Farah; 12-12-2018 at 11:59 AM.

  18. #27
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    4,853
    Thanks (Given)
    960
    Thanks (Received)
    3749
    Likes (Given)
    535
    Likes (Received)
    854
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    17759699

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farah View Post
    So again are you trying to justify a crime by falsely blaming someone else with the same crime as you did in my first topic ? This does not make you innocent. If what you mean by "40.000" is terror organization members, this is what happens if you are a terrorist. They are also recognized as terrorists by US govt. Seem like you are not even aware of your own govt.

    Having a journalist ID card does not make you someone untouchabled, if you violate the laws you will be punished. This is another issue that Western people are heavily brainwashed by their govt and govt controlled media. Most of these so called "journalists" has direct ties with terror organizations. Actually these fake personal images like "journalist" or "prolector in an Universty" or "Christian priest or imam" or "charity workers" are just popular covers for terrorists. On the other hand, there are not 80 journalist in Turkiye, there are 14.000 journalist in Turkiye who has media ID cards. You can accept these 80 people as "Julian Assange" or "Snowden" of Turkiye, when we ignore Assange and Snowden are much more innocent then the ones we have.
    Again? I wasn't aware that I had justified any crimes before this ...

    It appears that anyone you don't like is labelled a "terrorist" and thus justified in any action you and your backward country care to take against them to include torture and murder. I don't now where you think you get your moral superiority from but I am willing to bet it comes out of some Muslim writing someplace. By the way, I did not say there were 80 journalists in Turkey... I said there were 80 journalists in jail in Turkey....huge difference to the intelligent but probably not to one such as yourself.
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson


  19. Thanks Gunny, Drummond thanked this post
  20. #28
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    4,853
    Thanks (Given)
    960
    Thanks (Received)
    3749
    Likes (Given)
    535
    Likes (Received)
    854
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    17759699

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farah View Post
    Okay lets back to the main subject.


    In the region where Turkiye is going to start an operation, there are ;

    - 4000 US soldiers
    - 300 France soldiers
    - 100 British soldiers
    - 50 Italian soldiers
    - 60.000 PKK terrorists
    - 26 US military bases
    - 1 France military base
    You Turks better get some reinforcements then.
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson


  21. Thanks Gunny, Drummond thanked this post
  22. #29
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    191
    Thanks (Given)
    0
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Given)
    1
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    Again? I wasn't aware that I had justified any crimes before this ...

    It appears that anyone you don't like is labelled a "terrorist" and thus justified in any action you and your backward country care to take against them to include torture and murder. I don't now where you think you get your moral superiority from but I am willing to bet it comes out of some Muslim writing someplace. By the way, I did not say there were 80 journalists in Turkey... I said there were 80 journalists in jail in Turkey....huge difference to the intelligent but probably not to one such as yourself.
    ISIS is also a terror organization and had about 30.000-40.000 members and did it only in 5-6 years. Having soo much members does not justify someones criminal actions, again you are trying to justify terrorism with false propositions. I meant stop acting like there are only 80 journalists. There are many foreign news agencies operating in Turkiye, there are many news agencies that wasting all their time the attack Turkish govt since years. As I said Western people are heavily brainwashed.
    Last edited by Farah; 12-12-2018 at 12:15 PM.

  23. #30
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    4,853
    Thanks (Given)
    960
    Thanks (Received)
    3749
    Likes (Given)
    535
    Likes (Received)
    854
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    17759699

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Farah View Post
    ISIS is also a terror organization and had about 30.000-40.000 members and did it only in 5-6 years. Having soo much members does not justify someones criminal actions, again you are trying to justify terrorism with false propositions. I meant stop acting like there are only 80 journalists. There are many foreign news agencies operating in Turkiye, there are many news agencies that wasting all their time the attack Turkish govt since years. As I said Western people are heavily brainwashed.
    I just have to ask... if you are so convinced that all westerners are so brainwashed... why are you bothering to post here?

    I do find your misconceptions and uneducated opinions rather amusing however.
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson


  24. Thanks Drummond thanked this post
    Likes Drummond liked this post

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Debate Policy - Political Forums