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[Gunny]

I get it Gunny. We don't have "token" anything. With my family, either you is or you isn't. The daughters in law all know Grandpa and his boys are no kidding Americans and pretty much barely tolerate liberal bullshit; and only tolerate them if they behave. They get to state their opinion but then they have to wait patiently while the rest of us explain the facts to them. Works well so far.

Grandsons and grand daughters are just as you describe and wee all love em.

Yeah, I don't have the ones that respect your opinion and don't bring it up. I got the ones that are so self-sanctimonious they bait you and don't care if they start a big argument in the middle of everyone else's fun.

I have to say my nieces and mother are the worst. No one else really wants to piss me off but they're so right they don't care who they piss off, where, nor when.

Then get their feelings hurt when I finally unload with both barrels. Nowadays I'd just as soon take the scenic loop around THAT.

My family is my daughter and her family and it was that way before I ended up occupying space in her house. They'd come over to our house, or my apartment or I'd go to theirs. I prefer the toddler's opinions to the extended family's