Updated Covid-19 Statistics

[Abbey Marie]

Delaware is now bad enough that NJ is requiring quarantine if we visit there.

[jimnyc]

Delaware is now bad enough that NJ is requiring quarantine if we visit there.

Yups, they have now made it 19 states, if anyone coming from them visits us, they must first quarantine for 14 days when they get here.

So they allow for a lot of "anything goes" in NY and NJ. I saw a lack of enforcement for quite a long time. The nursing homes disaster. Mass transit never shutting down. SO many mistakes were made, which they of course blame Trump for, and now they act like Gods and want to now enforce based on other states.

I can almost understand Delaware. I direct border to NJ, but still with limited deaths and infections there.

But then Kansas and Oklahoma were the other 2 states added yesterday along with Delaware. 289 deaths in Kansas and 404 in Oklahoma.

34,212 - that is total infections between the 2 states together. NOT minimizing anyone sick, as I would be terrified. And certainly not minimizing the deaths, as one death is one too many. But we're dealing with numbers and facts only when I discuss numbers.

32,243. Quite the similar number! But that is DEATHS ALONE in NY. These 2 states barely have as many infections as were dead alone in NY. 15,281 more from NJ. 47,524 deaths between NY/NJ alone.

572,115 total infections. And the places with those kinds of numbers, are the ones taking charge and not allowing for freely traveling.

Now that NY/NJ has evened out as far as new infections are concerned, is this the appropriate decisions? And specifically how many new infections/deaths does it take to be added to their long list? Maybe it is the right answer, protect the rest of the citizens. Dunno. But I think both Murphy and Cuomo are clueless and responsible for a lot of deaths.

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It'll be interesting to see as each individual state pans out, and how they handle things maybe differently than other states. How will numbers change between them. And, most important, as states deal with this virus, and some get more infections than others. And then hopefully they all take the same route and decrease and even out some. And then the wait is on for a vaccine.

But as this happens - will places like NY have a resurgence, as other places fluctuate, and time passes? I think it happens.

And we know about the fight in the beginning - and we know it was right then and right now - that the states have power over themselves, and Trump isn't in charge of telling them what to do. Until something happens, deaths, and then its time again to blame Trump for the outcome of those states own decisions.

/another long winded rant over.

[Abbey Marie]

We were finally about to eat (Outdoors) at our favorite LBI restaurant. Now I guess that’s out.

When do we get good news?

[jimnyc]

We were finally about to eat (Outdoors) at our favorite LBI restaurant. Now I guess that’s out.

When do we get good news?

When all democrats retire at once.

[Kathianne]

When all democrats retire at once.

I understand that the democrats are playing games where the virus has passed for the time being. That AZ is going to open the schools in about 3 weeks is sort of weird. That NY still hasn't a clue is unforgivable, they are using the children for politics. I get that.

I also get the idea that the virus is going to disappear if Biden is elected, which is a common saying on the right, on the despised social media outlets, is also as wrong and detrimental to the US or what is left of it. Same with those claiming the idea of masks is the new way to communism. Not idiots, but sheep of their identification as 'right.'

Like Gunny, we are dealing with what you were months ago, but without the 'country' behind us. I've not changed what I'm doing, same as Gunny. It does suck though that when a good word could be used, it seems for the most part we're thrown into working for the left because the left likes our infections and the right doesn't. Thus, we must be part of the left.

[jimnyc]

I understand that the democrats are playing games where the virus has passed for the time being. That AZ is going to open the schools in about 3 weeks is sort of weird. That NY still hasn't a clue is unforgivable, they are using the children for politics. I get that.

I also get the idea that the virus is going to disappear if Biden is elected, which is a common saying on the right, on the despised social media outlets, is also as wrong and detrimental to the US or what is left of it. Same with those claiming the idea of masks is the new way to communism. Not idiots, but sheep of their identification as 'right.'

Like Gunny, we are dealing with what you were months ago, but without the 'country' behind us. I've not changed what I'm doing, same as Gunny. It does suck though that when a good word could be used, it seems for the most part we're thrown into working for the left because the left likes our infections and the right doesn't. Thus, we must be part of the left.

Nope, certainly not from me and my POV, and the limited folks I engage! I know exactly what folks are dealing with right now and potentially if it gets worse. Been still looking at all the numbers where things are the harshest and replaying the important news out there.

And even when I point out numbers, from horrid to downward - I always include repeatedly that there IS a horrid virus out there, infections are in fact rising, hospitals in areas where the spread is currently at are getting filled up including the ICU and ventilator usage. I'm still crossing my fingers for continued trends.

I try to make sure that not only are numbers pointed out, but also numbers not being pointed out or ignored for whatever reason. In another words, I've been trying to stay on top of some things, while ensuring some positive truths get heard, but also ensuring that the rising numbers are known about. Same for the lack of a vaccine and many other things.

I don't think anything changes in November if Biden wins. In fact, it will have zero effect. We all know that. But I think the media changes massively. If things continue negatively, they will suddenly be able to find and discuss any positive trends, and certain bad things won't be discussed as if it's porn, or fear porn. And if by chance things and when things started getting better anywhere, of course we know Biden would get credit. But the virus itself or what is happening to people out there won't change simply because someone else takes over or if one stays. There is a lot of BS within the media for a certainty. Same goes for so many others reporting on things that feel as if their words will somehow help change things.

I know my stance on masks won't be changing no matter who sits in DC. I won't refrain simply because Trump does, nor would I wear one because of him, or because of Biden.

I honestly feel for you guys. I don't know how folks feel as things get increasingly dire at hospitals, numbers rising quickly... but it scared the shit out of me and I didn't want to be a stat myself! And then the rules, new rules and mandates daily. New rules everywhere you go, but the more tighter things got ran along with the rising numbers and deaths. And I have a bad feeling it's coming back for sure. And it's not even gone, we still have daily infections and deaths still, just not as bad. But for me, the not wanting to get sick, the not wanting to die - I sure as F follow the rules and am anal about everything as I was day one mainly. Then you get less and less wanting to go anywhere for the rising fears. Then WHO is sick, and were they in MY local stores I go to? So it's a lot on the old noggin to begin with, but add your life on the line - and I assure you, I know how some of you must feel.

So when I point out the "actual" numbers and stuff, and downward death trends... it's not to diminish or to not understand or to play any of the games we read about. I point them out because I think it IS a huge positive when you see states with scary rising numbers, but not yet the deaths, and downward for many still. That's something people should hear on the news, and should be kept up to date about, along with the shitty news. But I know it's tough to find positive when your state is being inundated with sickness.

[Kathianne]

Nope, certainly not from me and my POV, and the limited folks I engage! I know exactly what folks are dealing with right now and potentially if it gets worse. Been still looking at all the numbers where things are the harshest and replaying the important news out there.

And even when I point out numbers, from horrid to downward - I always include repeatedly that there IS a horrid virus out there, infections are in fact rising, hospitals in areas where the spread is currently at are getting filled up including the ICU and ventilator usage. I'm still crossing my fingers for continued trends.

I try to make sure that not only are numbers pointed out, but also numbers not being pointed out or ignored for whatever reason. In another words, I've been trying to stay on top of some things, while ensuring some positive truths get heard, but also ensuring that the rising numbers are known about. Same for the lack of a vaccine and many other things.

I don't think anything changes in November if Biden wins. In fact, it will have zero effect. We all know that. But I think the media changes massively. If things continue negatively, they will suddenly be able to find and discuss any positive trends, and certain bad things won't be discussed as if it's porn, or fear porn. And if by chance things and when things started getting better anywhere, of course we know Biden would get credit. But the virus itself or what is happening to people out there won't change simply because someone else takes over or if one stays. There is a lot of BS within the media for a certainty. Same goes for so many others reporting on things that feel as if their words will somehow help change things.

I know my stance on masks won't be changing no matter who sits in DC. I won't refrain simply because Trump does, nor would I wear one because of him, or because of Biden.

I honestly feel for you guys. I don't know how folks feel as things get increasingly dire at hospitals, numbers rising quickly... but it scared the shit out of me and I didn't want to be a stat myself! And then the rules, new rules and mandates daily. New rules everywhere you go, but the more tighter things got ran along with the rising numbers and deaths. And I have a bad feeling it's coming back for sure. And it's not even gone, we still have daily infections and deaths still, just not as bad. But for me, the not wanting to get sick, the not wanting to die - I sure as F follow the rules and am anal about everything as I was day one mainly. Then you get less and less wanting to go anywhere for the rising fears. Then WHO is sick, and were they in MY local stores I go to? So it's a lot on the old noggin to begin with, but add your life on the line - and I assure you, I know how some of you must feel.

So when I point out the "actual" numbers and stuff, and downward death trends... it's not to diminish or to not understand or to play any of the games we read about. I point them out because I think it IS a huge positive when you see states with scary rising numbers, but not yet the deaths, and downward for many still. That's something people should hear on the news, and should be kept up to date about, along with the shitty news. But I know it's tough to find positive when your state is being inundated with sickness.

Yeah, I can't say I'm paranoid, if I were I couldn't go to work. I too though do what I have to in order to maintain as much safety as I can. Beyond that what happens, happens.

I think either the deaths are lagging or it really is much younger folks and they've done good at protecting the nursing homes and senior living centers-which abound here in AZ.

I'm just sick of being in a state that has these numbers and both the right and left are mostly acting only on politics, not concern for their fellow man/woman. I truly wish there was a leader worthy of support.

[Abbey Marie]

The weird thing here is that we aren’t actually that bad. We barely hit some arbitrary number that automatically put us on the naughty list, and boom, being treated like a pariah state. The thing is, while we are being told to quarantine elsewhere, we are still allowing everyone to enter Delaware, and folks do come to our beaches down south, where the biggest virus numbers are.

I am ready to move more than ever. My excitement in life consists of occasional drives with Russ through countryside, when he isn’t working, anyway. It’s living the outdoor life vicariously. Just not the same. Meanwhile my young cousin is driving and hiking through Alaska, seeing incredible scenery, wildlife, etc. Ehh, I’m rambling here.
Point is, it feels like we are being swept along a tide of political decision-making, where we are just pawns.
With no end in sight.

[jimnyc]

The weird thing here is that we aren’t actually that bad. We barely hit some arbitrary number that automatically put us on the naughty list, and boom, being treated like a pariah state. The thing is, while we are being told to quarantine elsewhere, we are still allowing everyone to enter Delaware, and folks do come to our beaches down south, where the biggest virus numbers are.

I am ready to move more than ever. My excitement in life consists of occasional drives with Russ through countryside, when he isn’t working, anyway. It’s living the outdoor life vicariously. Just not the same. Meanwhile my young cousin is driving and hiking through Alaska, seeing incredible scenery, wildlife, etc. Ehh, I’m rambling here.
Point is, it feels like we are being swept along a tide of political decision-making, where we are just pawns.
With no end in sight.

That's what I was saying yesterday with the latest 3 states that NY/NJ added to their kill list.

515 dead in Delaware. 292 in Kansas & 407. NOT to diminish, just that those numbers are small in comparison, and rising infections in comparison. And who all complained when other states did the same to NY/NJ when the numbers were just a little higher than that? I agreed back then as our state was out of control. But not all states are like that. But infection is infection and I guess doesn't take many to set off an outbreak somewhere.

None of the numbers I post are to diminish anything. Just maybe, if anything, bring a little positive to folks. But the bad is in there too and cannot be ignored. Just that the bad shouldn't turn into fear porn and the good shouldn't be told as if the only thing and things are about over or near over.

While I point out downward trends in various areas, or nationally, that DOES NOT mean that people aren't still getting sick or or aren't still dying. In fact, to understand the death rate, the mortality rate, it's based on multiplication and division and other things I hate but based on the population. But these states ARE seeing higher numbers than they did previously. So more people being tested overall, but the folks found infected ARE rising. And with more and more testing, and more younger people and more recovering - along WITH increasing deaths is why the rate goes downward. But in these places, or let's say Arizona - the daily and 7 day trends of infections are rising. The daily and 7 day rolling look at things and you see that the amount of people dying IS rising. It's just that the overall numbers are being off set somewhat by more testing, younger folks and recovery.

With that in mind, the numbers for these places have lowered again. The mortality rate. This would apply to looking at the state overall as a whole.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85

All lower. Illinois actually did a larger increase yesterday and then dropped back down again today. And as you see, for another example, Texas dropped from 1.28 to 1.27, from 1.67 a week and a half ago or so.

But to look at the scarier side of the trends, you'll see average cases per day with a large increase, looks to have started the rise around 6/4-6/11 and upward.



And the deaths per day in Texas, up and down and up and down and up and down, but overall increasing and increasing



And then the overall death rate, the mortality rate. What the media doesn't want to show and discuss. The massive increase in daily testings. States are testing anywhere from 40-50k per day now. Whereas in the beginning it was barely at all. More tests will equal more infections found. And many reasons dictate the ages. And the ages of course will effect the deaths. So a LOT more to the story than just "increase=death=very scary=do what we say and vote out Trump"

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My friends, I hope someday in the future the full truth will come out.
That this nation should have never been --shut down-, and its booming economy destroyed.
That millions were so devastated financially and who knows how many small businesses were bankrupted.
That immediately the dem party seized on this virus threat to use as a political weapon and thereby started
this calamitous snowball rolling downhill to so devastate this nation, divide its citizens and wreck havoc to
such a tragic degree.
Mark my words, truth will eventually out to prove what I am now saying, imho.
May take a few years or even a decade ..-Tyr

[jimnyc]

My friends, I hope someday in the future the full truth will come out.
That this nation should have never been --shut down-, and its booming economy destroyed.
That millions were so devastated financially and who knows how many small businesses were bankrupted.
That immediately the dem party seized on this virus threat to use as a political weapon and thereby started
this calamitous snowball rolling downhill to so devastate this nation, divide its citizens and wreck havoc to
such a tragic degree.
Mark my words, truth will eventually out to prove what I am now saying, imho.
May take a few years or even a decade ..-Tyr

Here are some things that I think will come out eventually:

With paying hospitals $13,000 for every admitted patient that tests positive, and then $52,000 in total if they end up on a ventilator - I have little doubt that some will abuse that for profit. I hope that every single one gets found in some audit and all get prosecuted if so.

I think, for various reasons, that hospital administrators, doctors & nurses will have been found altering numbers to their liking, in either direction.

Although above the law, of course politicians report things all over the map to their individual liking.

I think you will find out that medical examiners altered numbers. Along with other in charge, from the CDC, WHO and any other overseeing agencies.

I also think many lied about numbers lower, in order to open up states, of course political reasons and others.

The MSM is more than complicit. They lie along with whatever the Democrats say. Then take liberties themselves in developing fear. They will lie about numbers and omit other things.

Without any doubt, many democrats and others worked tirelessly to shut things down in our country. Harm the economy, harm the individual at home, create fear and chaos. Trump's best success was with our economy, with our jobs & much more. As many know, the economy alone can easily win the incumbent another 4 years. The Democrats know this. So harm the economy, create problems and take advantage of other problems to create more fear and chaos - and hopefully it all develops into anger.

Doctors/hospitals and others increasing the numbers by declaring it a covid-19 death, even if something else was the primary reason or cause of death. And others being declared positive or died from it simply because they believe that to be the case, even though no test ever administered.

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And then on top of all of that, these various lies and being all over the map with facts and lack of them - they more and more only confused many Americans and added to the chaos.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Here are some things that I think will come out eventually:

With paying hospitals $13,000 for every admitted patient that tests positive, and then $52,000 in total if they end up on a ventilator - I have little doubt that some will abuse that for profit. I hope that every single one gets found in some audit and all get prosecuted if so.

I think, for various reasons, that hospital administrators, doctors & nurses will have been found altering numbers to their liking, in either direction.

Although above the law, of course politicians report things all over the map to their individual liking.

I think you will find out that medical examiners altered numbers. Along with other in charge, from the CDC, WHO and any other overseeing agencies.

I also think many lied about numbers lower, in order to open up states, of course political reasons and others.

The MSM is more than complicit. They lie along with whatever the Democrats say. Then take liberties themselves in developing fear. They will lie about numbers and omit other things.

Without any doubt, many democrats and others worked tirelessly to shut things down in our country. Harm the economy, harm the individual at home, create fear and chaos. Trump's best success was with our economy, with our jobs & much more. As many know, the economy alone can easily win the incumbent another 4 years. The Democrats know this. So harm the economy, create problems and take advantage of other problems to create more fear and chaos - and hopefully it all develops into anger.

Doctors/hospitals and others increasing the numbers by declaring it a covid-19 death, even if something else was the primary reason or cause of death. And others being declared positive or died from it simply because they believe that to be the case, even though no test ever administered.

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And then on top of all of that, these various lies and being all over the map with facts and lack of them - they more and more only confused many Americans and added to the chaos.

Truly well said. My point is hopefully the malicious nature of the deliberate lies told and actions taken -with intent to harm this nation, is citizens in
order to try to stop Trump from getting a second term will be fully exposed.
If full exposure ever occurs the dem party and those complicit should be jailed and prosecuted-as they did far, far more than neglect their sworn duty-they engaged in criminal activities to try to steal an election they knew was going for Trump. And did so with the deliberate intent to weaken this nation, harm its citizens and try to gain unconstitutional power.-Tyr
And that is a golden fact..-Tyr

[Kathianne]

Lagging deaths increase or just record keeping update?

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpun...-covid-deaths/

A follow-up to this post from Tuesday is in order in light of last night’s new daily data. “We’re only a week or two away from solving our national mystery about whether an uptick in deaths is merely ‘lagging’ the rise in cases nationally or if something fundamental has changed about the epidemic to make COVID-19 durably less deadly,” I wrote there, although that really shouldn’t have been presented as an either/or. It could be (and maybe is likely to be) that both are true. We’re destined to see some rise in deaths as case counts in hard-hit states skyrocket but maybe nothing like the rise we saw in New York and New Jersey earlier in the pandemic. Doctors have gotten better at treating COVID-19. Some who would have died in April will survive now.


SEE ALSO: Hmmm: Weekly jobless claims still at 1.3 million — but continuing claims drop sharply
But we may be getting early confirmation of the first part of that analysis. Arizona, Texas, and California all recorded more coronavirus deaths in one of the past two days than they have on any other day since the start of the pandemic.

Public health officials across California reported 151 coronavirus deaths on Wednesday, far surpassing the previous single-day high of 122 deaths set on May 19, according to data compiled by this news organization.

Earlier Wednesday, before the record-breaking number of deaths was reported, Gov. Gavin Newsom warned that people should not let fatigue or an apparently falling mortality rate from COVID-19 obscure “the reality still of hundreds of people across this country dying on a daily basis from this disease.”…

Hospitalizations have been on the rise as well. And the percentage of tests for coronavirus that are coming back positive has been growing: The seven-day average of that rate reached 7.5 percent this week, compared to 4.4 percent a month ago.

Texas recorded 98 deaths, “far surpassing” the previous record (set just a day before) of 60. A day earlier, Arizona recorded 117 deaths, “far surpassing” the previous record of 88. These aren’t modest increases; as a percentage, they’re big leaps. Maybe, hopefully, they’re partial artifacts of the slowdown over July 4th weekend — that is, maybe some counties got backlogged in recording deaths for a day or two and what we’re seeing in the past 48 hours is them clearing those backlogs.

But the national picture suggests otherwise:

Deaths are up week over week through Wednesday. Since they’re a lagging indicator of a surge in cases, it’s reasonable to fear that trend will hold for awhile.

POTUS continues to try to convince the public that what they’re seeing right now, as the U.S. sets another record daily high in confirmed cases, is merely an artifact of more testing:


But it’s not true and the rising death toll is evidence. If the total number of infections in the population were stable or declining, with case counts rising simply because we’ve been testing more, we should expect to see hospitalizations and deaths stable or declining as well. In fact, we should expect severe cases of COVID to decline even if the number of infections is steady thanks to improved treatments. The fact that that the hospitalizations graph looks like this…





…is the best proof we could ask for that the number of infections really is rising ominously. It’s not a function of testing. In fact, notes Ari Schulman, the percentage of total tests that are turning up positive has risen over the past two weeks in 37 states. If infections in the population were steady or declining, the opposite would be true as testing increases. As for comparing ourselves to other countries:

Here’s another ominous, and familiar, piece of evidence of a surging epidemic from one of the hardest-hit cities in the country, Houston. There’s a rash of people dropping dead there at home before EMTs can reach them, just as there was in New York City in March and April:

Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said the surge in at-home deaths reflects the nature of the way COVID-19 attacks the body. Early on, he said, doctors were focused on respiratory symptoms, but case studies in New York and elsewhere showed the virus also causes serious heart problems that can lead to sudden deaths.

“And it seems to be happening both early and late in the course of the illness,” Hotez said. “So patients are recovering and then they’ll come home from the hospital and they’ll die. Or they were never diagnosed, and the first manifestation is sudden death. So that’s a very frightening aspect of COVID-19 and why we need to work so hard to slow the spread, because you don’t even get the chance to seek medical attention.”…

Data from the Houston Fire Department shows a 45 percent jump since February in the number of cardiac arrest calls that ended with paramedics declaring people dead upon their arrival at the scene. In March, the department recorded about 250 dead-on-arrival calls, the most of any month in the past two years up until that point. In June, the number grew to nearly 300, more than 75 in excess of either of the previous two Junes. And on July 3, officials said the department experienced the most such calls on a single day in recent memory: 18.

The raw numbers of deaths are much, much smaller than they were in New York, but whether that’ll be true durably or whether it’s true merely at the moment, with vastly higher counts to come, is still unknown. This piece on the various ways doctors have learned to better treat the disease and save lives is encouraging. They’re “proning” patients reliably now to help them breathe, using nasal cannula more for oxygen to try to avert the ordeal of being placed on a ventilator, watching for blood clots that have been known to afflict some COVID patients. They have drugs like remdesivir that have proven to hasten recovery and dexamethasone that have proven to save lives in severe cases. It’s hard to imagine we’d see anything like the death tolls we saw in April and May *if* infections don’t keep growing exponentially.

But if they do, at some point the sheer number of patients should logically produce the scale of death we saw a few months ago. ICUs in hard-hit states are already filling up and spaces like convention centers are being prepared for excess capacity. There are only so many doctors and so much medicine to try to prevent severe cases from turning fatal. Which brings us to a lingering mystery: How many people were really infected in March and April, when testing was abysmal? We’re setting daily records in case counts now but that may be due to the fact that capacity has grown so much over the past two months. If we were testing at this scale when 800 people a day were dying in NYC, how many confirmed daily cases would we have had? 50,000? Or more like 200,000? As ominous as the epidemic looks right now in the south, it may still be just a fraction of what the northeast experienced this past spring.

Go read Derek Thompson’s five theories for why the current death toll, although rising, isn’t exploding. They’re all familiar, especially the fact that infections have been trending younger over the past month, but it’s useful to have them presented side by side.

[Abbey Marie]

Speaking of two things being true at the same time: It is very possible, yes even likely, that this is a dangerous and deadly yet non-malicious virus AND it has been used as a political football to influence the upcoming election. Both can be true. Which makes mask-wearing/non-wearing as a political decision absolutely absurd.

[Kathianne]

Speaking of two things being true at the same time: It is very possible, yes even likely, that this is a dangerous and deadly yet non-malicious virus AND it has been used as a political football to influence the upcoming election. Both can be true. Which makes mask-wearing/non-wearing as a political decision absolutely absurd.

With that said, @Abbey, thought you'd enjoy this. I did.