Are you saying, without a doubt that this "honor killing" is not Quranic in it's roots, and is only cultural?Originally Posted by diuretic
As I've mentioned before, a moderate Muslim is not living by the Quran, are they? If all Muslims lived strictly by the Quran, would we be dealing with much more "honor killings" and "beheadings" than we are experiencing in the world right now?
To follow the Quran is to not tolerate anyone, but those of their own faith that abide, "jot and tittle" of every word of the Quran. It this correct?
Respectfully, please show me how these "honor killings" are cultural and not rooted in Quranic teaching?
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Counter Point:
If Christians lived strictly by Jesus's teachings, would abortion clinics be blown up...........No! Would Muslims be attacked and annihilated by biblical Christians........No!
Please don't dig up the O.T. as an example of total Christian adherence, as those directives to annihilate cities in Canaan, such as Jericho were directives that God gave to the Israelites as He, God ascertained in His omnipotence that there was not one God fearing, repentant, salvageable human being in those cities. God did not turn the Israelites onto killing sprees because peopel were different in religion from His peoples faith. He emphatically wanted them to not mix with unbelievers or to become diluted in their faith and devotion to Him by inter-marrying. He did not condemn the profit Hosea for marrying a prostitute named Gomer. In fact he commanded Hosea to marry her, and to lover her despite her unfaithfulness to him/Hosea, the great profit of Israel.
God of the bible is a God of reconciliation, not spiteful revenge of honor, or of broken honor towards Him.
God allowed unthinkable things to happen in Job's life in the O.T. yet, restored Job beyond what his wealth and wisdom was before all the suffering that was allowed by God.
Remember that the most bratty and disgusting folks in the world are those that have lived pampered, enabled, and over-protected lives. Wisdom is learned in the trenches of living out the things of life that don't go our way. We learn from these experiences that we aren't the captains of our lives, but passengers on a journey that God desires to lay out to us, that's filled with such fullfillment and adventure.
We are all diamonds in the rough, in God's eyes. We can fight the diamond cutter's painful blows to our being to make us a beautiful reflective jewel that reflects back the light of the Glory of God who has imparted in us His grace, and love in infinite quantity.
Man made religions, reflect man's short sighted solutions, to problems that aren't external in nature, but are rooted at the core of humanities very inner being, or soul. God send His son to heal the healthy, who in actuality are the sickest of soul in this human race, but He came to heal the sick or the ones that are willing to open up their lives, admit their pride and fears of exposure and transparency, and are willing to do a "do over" with the work or cooperation of their Maker, via salvation.
Man does not want to bow a knee to His maker and give his life over to His makers will or Lordship. This is the inherrent sinful nature of man that originated in Eden, and has been pervaded the human race ever since.
A new Adam was needed that could meet God's righteous, holy, justice, and take upon Himself the just verdict of our race and our individual rebellion towards God's position before our lives. Jesus was that new, Adam. Sinless, not revengeful, not legalistic, not exacting a slap back in retort for a slap received. A man that went against the grain of sinful, lost man's intellect, pride, and dispair.
Why are most of the folks the world with the most toys often the saddest, or the most screwed-up? It's because the human creature was not created to fullfill or find completeness in "things" but in a relationship of eternal security, eternal love, eternal acceptance, beyond and before the grave or death, the great "canyon" that all must face one day.
There are so many counterfeit religions in the world that try to find God under rocks in the dirt, and call it "mother earth" in plants, in our inner being, in soul travel, Wicca, out of body experiences, via halucinogenic drugs, dare devil experiences, UFO-ology, Art Bell and George Norrey show addictions...........it's all just dead end roads.......
When all is done, we don't find anything inherrently good in ourselves.......as we are all sinners, or imperfect. We need a reprieve from the demands of life that tell us that if we just do this better the next time, Mom, Dad, my boss, my spouse, siblings, our kids, will love or like us better. God wants us to rest in Him, and quit striving. We don't have to kill and rape a loved one for an offence. God is love, not revenge, though He will exact revenge upon those that assail his beloved or His Children; namely those that are His saved through His grace. It may not happen in this lifetime, but there is a time that all humans, both Christians and non-Christians will have to give an accounting of their lives. The upper most question in this accounting before God will be, "What did you do with my Son Jesus, in your life on earth?".
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If you say you bombed an abortion clinic or mowed down some nurses and doctors at Planned Parenthood, your a lost cause and Christ's life is and was never in you.
God doesn't need anyone to do anything for Him. He desires for us to allow His life, to work through us, reconciling the world back to Him through unconditional love, that's grace, or unmerited favor extended to all.
Thats why Psalms 46:10 says, "Be still and know that I am God." Another bible version says it, "Cease striving and know that I am God.". It all means the same. Quit playing, "god". You were made to contain His life and live it out, as His ambassador, but you are not God. God does not respect intellect, education, goodie two shoes acts of charity, smiley attitudes, as replacement for the work of His Son's life on the cross for humanity.
The sign of all false religions is what they do with Jesus. If he is diminished to anything less than God incarnate, and just a nice man, a prophet, a good teacher/Rabbi, etc.., you have the trappings of a false religion.
What shall we do with Jesus? Shall we install Him in the honor and place that God deems and says that He holds or shall we diminish Him in order to avoid, facing our shortcomings, and shortfallings with the help of fear and pride?
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