Another white male, another mass shooting

[JakeStarkey]

Why the conservatrians would deny the fact that 58 to 60% are by white males reveals an inability to accept truth and transparency,

[Gunny]

Why the conservatrians would deny the fact that 58 to 60% are by white males reveals an inability to accept truth and transparency,

Who's trying to deny anything Jake? It's more like putting context to your comment. In the big scheme of things, it doesn't mean shit.

Most serial killers are white males as well. Who cares? Are you being racist? Bet if I say blacks love chicken and watermelon you'd call me racist when the fact is, blacks love fried chicken and watermelon. Ask one.

Bet you would like to believe these "mass shooters" are all conservatives too, huh? Nope. There's never a pile of dead Dem bodies is there? Guess who us white guys with guns consider the enemy. It's not other white guys with guns, school children nor church congregations.

Perhaps these guys are just nuts, regardless politics/race? Perhaps it's as kathianne states. Guy's out to make a statement.

I can do this all day

The topic is not as simple as a one line dismissal from Jake.

[JakeStarkey]

As long as we accept that the figure is 58 to 60%, I don't care what anyone thinks what that means.

[Gunny]

As long as we accept that the figure is 58 to 60%, I don't care what anyone thinks what that means.

I don't accept cherry picking to advance a statistical lie.

[fj1200]

The overall point should be...

Between 1982 and May 2021, 66 out of the 124 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 21 mass shootings, and Latino in 10. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 53 percent, 17 percent and eight percent respectively.

Race of mass shooters reflects the U.S. population

Broadly speaking, the racial distribution of mass shootings mirrors the racial distribution of the U.S. population as a whole. While a superficial comparison of the statistics seems to suggest African American shooters are over-represented and Latino shooters underrepresented, the fact that the shooter’s race is unclear in around five percent of cases, along with the different time frames over which these statistics are calculated means no such conclusions should be drawn. Conversely, looking at the mass shootings in the United States by gender clearly demonstrates that the majority of mass shootings are carried out by men.

So the title of this thread and headlines that imply the same are sensationalizing.

[JakeStarkey]

A % is a fact not cherry picking.

Trying to argue with it is cherry picking.

[fj1200]

A % is a fact not cherry picking.

Trying to argue with it is cherry picking.

It's not the percentage that would be cherry picked. One can easily choose which data to include and which data to exclude; that is the cherry picking that could be employed. I think that's what Volokh was going with in part.

[JakeStarkey]

It's not the percentage that would be cherry picked. One can easily choose which data to include and which data to exclude; that is the cherry picking that could be employed. I think that's what Volokh was going with in part.

Well, that can be cherry picked.

[Surf Fishing Guru]

As long as we accept that the figure is 58 to 60%, I don't care what anyone thinks what that means.

I can say I accept that White shooters represent 58%-60% of a select tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of the incidents that are widely accepted by media, politicians and the public as being "mass shootings".

Mother Jones considers 125 incidents in the last 39 years to be "mass shootings"; that is the dataset Jake is drawing his 58% from.

Meanwhile, the accounting that everyone considers the official tally, the authority on the number of "mass shootings" in the USA, the Gun Violence Archive, shows that the number of "mass shootings" so far this year, as of Sept. 28, 2021, is 528.

So, with 25% of 2021 still remaining, GVA puts "mass shootings" for the year at 422% of Jake's tally for 39 years.

Jake, what you are doing is like making an unequivocal statement that -- it is mostly rich guys that are killed in car accidents . . . but you are only allowing car accidents that the driver was going over 150 mph in your dataset you are pulling your percentage from, and representing that it represents all car accidents.

[jimnyc]

Jake is playing games. He's denying things purposely and then tossing out made up shit. When someone responds, he repeats his BS just to keep his BS going.

[MtnBiker]

This time at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado. What is it about you guys and your need to shoot up places? It's no wonder why sane people want to keep guys away from white males. You are all ticking time bombs! Mass shooters are always white males who have flipped out about something. Of course, gun rights enthusiasts are usually white males as well.

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always



adverb
every time; on every occasion; without exception:He always works on Saturday.
all the time; continuously; uninterruptedly:There is always some pollution in the air.
forever:Will you always love me?
in any event; at any time; if necessary:She can always move back with her parents.




So, of course shootings are done by all races and demographics. In the OP of the thread it was stated that mass shooters are always white males. It is the leftist promoted narrative that shooting are always by white males that is false.

[Surf Fishing Guru]

I've been waiting to post this information, toying with Jake has been fun but it is time to put his "most mass shooters are White" idiocy to rest.

My next post will be a mural, photographs of every person convicted, charged or wanted in connection with a mass shooting crime that meets Wikipedia's page that lists the mass shootings in the United States in 2020.

That Wiki page compiles all the various criteria used by nine entities in government, academia and media for assigning the moniker "mass shooting" and includes in its list, incidents that meet any two of these criteria.

Those criteria are (internal links and footnotes removed):

• Stanford University MSA Data Project: three or more persons shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at one location, at roughly the same time. Excluded are shootings associated with organized crime, gangs or drug wars.
• Mass Shooting Tracker: four or more persons shot in one incident, at one location, at roughly the same time.
• Gun Violence Archive/Vox: four or more shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time.
• Mother Jones: three or more shot and killed in one incident at a public place, excluding the perpetrators.
• The Washington Post: four or more shot and killed in one incident at a public place, excluding the perpetrators.
• ABC News/FBI: four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time.
• Congressional Research Service: four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at a public place, excluding gang-related killings and those done with a profit-motive.

The Wiki page arrives at a total of 614 mass shootings in 2020. For Jake to pick one of the most restrictive criteria (Mother Jones with 125 incidents over 39 years) and make a definitive statement about the make-up of the perpetrators of all mass shootings, is as I said, IDIOTIC.

The mural in my next post shows those persons convicted, charged or wanted in connection with the shooting of 4+ people, or who died before they could be charged (suicide or killed by citizens or police during the commission of their crime).

For 2020, as of March 17, 2021, 75% of the 612 mass shootings have no suspect . . .


Are we ready??????

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[Surf Fishing Guru]

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Link to page with clickable info for each shooter's portrait: https://mass-shootings.info/index.php


Bonus graphs:


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Whites comprise 14% of known mass shooting perpetrators in 2020. . . . Can we be done with Jake's stupid "it's Whitey" crap?





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[Gunny]

I've been waiting to post this information, toying with Jake has been fun but it is time to put his "most mass shooters are White" idiocy to rest.

My next post will be a mural, photographs of every person convicted, charged or wanted in connection with a mass shooting crime that meets Wikipedia's page that lists the mass shootings in the United States in 2020.

That Wiki page compiles all the various criteria used by nine entities in government, academia and media for assigning the moniker "mass shooting" and includes in its list, incidents that meet any two of these criteria.

Those criteria are (internal links and footnotes removed):

• Stanford University MSA Data Project: three or more persons shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at one location, at roughly the same time. Excluded are shootings associated with organized crime, gangs or drug wars.
• Mass Shooting Tracker: four or more persons shot in one incident, at one location, at roughly the same time.
• Gun Violence Archive/Vox: four or more shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time.
• Mother Jones: three or more shot and killed in one incident at a public place, excluding the perpetrators.
• The Washington Post: four or more shot and killed in one incident at a public place, excluding the perpetrators.
• ABC News/FBI: four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time.
• Congressional Research Service: four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at a public place, excluding gang-related killings and those done with a profit-motive.

The Wiki page arrives at a total of 614 mass shootings in 2020. For Jake to pick one of the most restrictive criteria (Mother Jones with 125 incidents over 39 years) and make a definitive statement about the make-up of the perpetrators of all mass shootings, is as I said, IDIOTIC.

The mural in my next post shows those persons convicted, charged or wanted in connection with the shooting of 4+ people, or who died before they could be charged (suicide or killed by citizens or police during the commission of their crime).

For 2020, as of March 17, 2021, 75% of the 612 mass shootings have no suspect . . .


Are we ready??????

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I must be a mass shooting snob

If you can't bag 20 minimum, stay home. Amateurs

[MtnBiker]

Mass shooters are always white males

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Well, she was actually right about this one.