Ballsy question HERE?

[darin]

I respectfully disagree kind sir.... the JOB that the military does is whatever the suits in DC tell us to do....sometimes we agree with it...sometimes we don't.... but we really never cared much either way... it was the job ... we did it... we got paid ...we got promoted...life goes on... the specific missions that the military is sent on can be vehemently disagreed with by any and all AMericans.... that is completely different than speaking evil of the men and women tasked with completing those missions.

You can disagree - but you're absolutely wrong. People like you say things like that to feel better, but it's just absolutely wrong. It's absolutely impossible to not support somebody's job, but REALLY support 'them'.

[dirt mcgirt]

You can disagree - but you're absolutely wrong. People like you say things like that to feel better, but it's just absolutely wrong. It's absolutely impossible to not support somebody's job, but REALLY support 'them'.

There are muslims serving on active duty as well as gays. Can you say that you've been supportive of them as well?

[darin]

There are muslims serving on active duty as well as gays. Can you say that you've been supportive of them as well?

Why wouldn't I be? Somebody choosing to loosely follow islam is no threat to Good order. Those following Islam strictly would kill us if given the chance, however.

[dirt mcgirt]

Why wouldn't I be? Somebody choosing to loosely follow islam is no threat to Good order. Those following Islam strictly would kill us if given the chance, however.

I support the gay and muslim Soldiers serving in the military too. Glad we agree.

[Gaffer]

steph I agree with you. Wesley Clark's only claim to fame was that he was commander of NATO. It's never mentioned, but he was removed from that position by clinton. Reason...unknown. He wants to talk with the maniac of the middle east. Just as he wants to talk with lil kim. NK the extortion gang of the far east has a nuke and is a threat to the region. So clark wants to make deals with them. Iran wants to wipe out Israel and the US and clark wants to deal with them. The longer talks and deals go on the stronger they get. When they feel they are strong enough they will attack.

Clark is a fool who thinks we are dealing with a european style enemy. This war is nothing like dealing with the soviets who had just as much to lose as we did and. in the case of kuschev, was more bluster than bite.

I haven't heard clark say anything but, retreat and run away. And if we are nice to tha mad dog maybe it will bite someone else before getting around to us.

I think Murtha is a piece of shit. As is kerry.

kerry is an outrught liar and played and used his time in the service for his personal gain and used it to turn on his own country.

murtha is a disappointment. Anyone that would turn on fellow marines the way he did is a piece of shit in my eyes. And he continues to slam the military.

clark the fool, kerry the traitor, murtha the shit. Sums up this vets feeling about em.

[darin]

I support the gay and muslim Soldiers serving in the military too. Glad we agree.

Indeed - as long as neither are defined by their choice of behaviour, I'm okay. The Armed Forces are okay. But when EITHER allow themselves conduct which distracts from good order, they should be removed from uniform.

[retiredman]

You can disagree - but you're absolutely wrong. People like you say things like that to feel better, but it's just absolutely wrong. It's absolutely impossible to not support somebody's job, but REALLY support 'them'.

it's funny...did YOU ever serve? I did...during the Vietnam years...and my father and mother were peace activists who protested the war in Vietnam. I NEVER once felt that they were disrespecting me in any way.

ANd you clearly do not understand the word "job" from a military perspective. Our JOB - our ONLY JOB - is to go whereever the suits in DC send us and do whatever they tell us to do to the utmost of our ability and continue to do IT until they tell us to come home. The mission is not the job...the mission is what you do as part of your job. Missions come and missions go...but the JOB is there. My folks hated the war in Vietnam - so did I... but that never stopped them from supporting ME in my JOB and it didn't stop ME from doing my JOB. Got it?

Now you can tell me that I am "absolutely wrong" kind sir, but you'll need to give me some reason as to why YOUR opinion on a subject that I am intimately familiar with has more credence than mine and gives you the right to judge MY opinion. For example.... if my cardiologist told me I needed to get my cholesterol down below 140 and you said he was "absolutely wrong" I'd need to see some credentials that allowed you to make that judgment.

[retiredman]

We had more NUCS than they did. All the more reason to prevent them in Iran. I'd also point out that Nikita wasn't a religous extremist. This situation is much different than anything we have ever faced.

So, tell me again how to talk with a Country that has stated their intent is to wipe your Country off the earth and others. I missed your answer. You must have a plan to change their mind. Lets hear it.

your answer to my question was profoundly lame. We have more nukes than Iran..why can't we talk to them? and do you think that being "buried" by a communist government would be somehowless painful than being "buried" by a Islamic one?

YOu talk to them in hopes of convincing them to alter their stated intent, of course. The same reason we talked with the soviets for all those years.

[Mr. P]

Indeed - as long as neither are defined by their choice of behaviour, I'm okay. The Armed Forces are okay. But when EITHER allow themselves conduct which distracts from good order, they should be removed from uniform.

Back in my day, black, white, Muslim, Catholic et al…when you put on the OD green you were all GI.

[retiredman]

Indeed - as long as neither are defined by their choice of behaviour, I'm okay. The Armed Forces are okay. But when EITHER allow themselves conduct which distracts from good order, they should be removed from uniform.

and here we are in total agreement. Anyone who negatively impacts good order and discipline needs to be corrected or discharged....

[darin]

Back in my day, black, white, Muslim, Catholic et al…when you put on the OD green you were all GI.

Right - used to be people dropped all those labels too, when they became AMERICANS.

[darin]

your answer to my question was profoundly lame. We have more nukes than Iran..why can't we talk to them? and do you think that being "buried" by a communist government would be somehowless painful than being "buried" by a Islamic one?

YOu talk to them in hopes of convincing them to alter their stated intent, of course. The same reason we talked with the soviets for all those years.

MUST You start every rebuttal with an insult?

[retiredman]

But you had to check? Telling ain't it?

but that statement, in reference to MY testicles, was NOT insulting?

[Mr. P]

your answer to my question was profoundly lame. We have more nukes than Iran..why can't we talk to them? and do you think that being "buried" by a communist government would be somehowless painful than being "buried" by a Islamic one?

YOu talk to them in hopes of convincing them to alter their stated intent, of course. The same reason we talked with the soviets for all those years.

Lame? So was your shoe pounding statement..Alittle education for ya..

Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev famously used an expression generally translated into English as "We will bury you!" ("Мы вас похороним!", transliterated as My vas pokhoronim!) while addressing Western ambassadors at reception in Moscow in November, 1956. [1] The translation has been controversial because it was presented as being belligerent out of context. The phrase may well have been intended to mean the Soviet Union would outlast the West, as a more complete version of the quote reads: "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you" - a meaning more akin to "we will attend your funeral" than "we shall cause your funeral".

Several online sources incorrectly claim that he made this statement at the United Nations General Assembly on October 11, 1960, when he is said to have pounded the table with his shoe, or with an extra shoe he had brought with him explicitly for that purpose. [2] (Occasionally these incorrect reports give the date October 12, the date this incident was reported in most newspapers.)

Speaking some years later in Yugoslavia, Khrushchev himself remarked, "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you" [3], a nod to the popular Marxist saying, "The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism." Khrushchev later went on to explain that socialism would supplant capitalism in the same manner that capitalism itself supplanted feudalism.

[retiredman]

Here we go.... Kind sir... let me merely point out that the Soviet Union was clearly an adversary whose entire military might was developed to be able to indeed bury us. I spent the better part of my life chasing their surface vessels and submarines around the world's oceans and every one of those missiles subs of theirs had hundreds of megatons of nuclear warheads sitting on top of ballistic missiles continually aimed at the United States.

Yet we talked with them... we even had a telephone line hooked up and continually manned so that we could talk to one another on a moment's notice.

There was never a doubt that the USSR was our ENEMY during the entire cold war.... and we were closer than you can even imagine on a number of occasions from turning the globe into a cinder....

yet we talked with them.

We had diametrically opposing views that put us at loggerheads about just about anything and everything...

yet we talked with them.

Your suggestion that Iran is somehow different because they are an Islamic country is without merit... being turned into a pile of ashes by the soviets would not be any better way to go than having the same thing done - and much less effectively, by the way - by Iran.

so we should talk.. because it beats the hell out of the alternative