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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Hardly. Many women get pregnant inspite of trying hard not to.
    So they clearly know what could happen when having sex right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    The uterus is the property of the woman. She determines whether to continue the pregnancy or terminate it. Forcing a woman to carry the pregnancy to term against her will is a violation of her human rights.
    A natural function of life is not a violation of her "human rights" as she didn't have sex against her will and according to you they are aware of what could happen. So again, you believe a fetus is property? And what of the human rights of the fetus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    So they clearly know what could happen when having sex right?



    A natural function of life is not a violation of her "human rights" as she didn't have sex against her will and according to you they are aware of what could happen. So again, you believe a fetus is property? And what of the human rights of the fetus?
    Yes, of course. That's one reason it is legal to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

    The woman has the legal right to determine if she wants to continue the pregnancy or not. Making this decision illegal has NEVER stopped women from making this choice.

    Who should decide? The woman or the government/right wing christians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Yes, of course. That's one reason it is legal to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

    The woman has the legal right to determine if she wants to continue the pregnancy or not. Making this decision illegal has NEVER stopped women from making this choice.

    Who should decide? The woman or the government/right wing christians?
    Finally you answer one question. So now, what of the human rights of the fetus? And yes, society, via government, generally is the entity that protects the life, liberty, and property of its citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Finally you answer one question. So now, what of the human rights of the fetus? And yes, society, via government, generally is the entity that protects the life, liberty, and property of its citizens.
    The fetus doesn't have rights, unless the pregnant woman grants them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    The fetus doesn't have rights, unless the pregnant woman grants them.
    Why is it not entitled to the same rights that you have? When is it entitled to the same rights that you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Why is it not entitled to the same rights that you have? When is it entitled to the same rights that you have?
    When it can survive independent of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    When it can survive independent of her.
    False argument,
    ALL infants and most small children CAN NOT survive without the help of adults or others.. So Try again!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    When it can survive independent of her.
    Why does the fetus deserve rights based on the answer to a question that is, in part, based on technological advancement? In other words, why the difference in rights between month 3 and month 8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Why is it not entitled to the same rights that you have? When is it entitled to the same rights that you have?
    Because we haven't assigned it status as a "person" owed rights.

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    The issue is CHOICE. It used to not be a choice for a woman. Now it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Because we haven't assigned it status as a "person" owed rights.
    I know what the current legal status is, the question goes to why you think a fetus is not granted the same right of life that the rest of us are. Why do you think the fetus as property argument is greater than the fetus being granted its own right of life argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    The fetus doesn't have rights, unless the pregnant woman grants them.
    Rights are God given. Therefore, if there is no God there are no rights. Your position has no basis. If a woman can treat an unborn child as someone with no rights, the government can treat women as someone with no rights. In your world the father has no rights, just obligations. I can tolerate gays, communists, drug addicts, felons, hippies, etc. However, I want nothing to do with a woman that can kill a baby. She is no better than Richard Allen Davis, the killer of Polly Klaas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    The fetus doesn't have rights, unless the pregnant woman grants them.
    and isn't that the problem?....there was a time when slaves didn't have rights unless the slave owner granted them......
    ...full immersion.....

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