British Jihadis !!

[Drummond]

What importantance (if any) do we put on the fact that the decision to join ISIS was made when she was fifteen.
In what ways would her treatment be different if she did not leave the country.
To what extent would her being punished result in the punishment of her newborn child.
If she had joined a non-Muslim terrorist group in what way would her punishment be differnt.

Yes. Shamima Begum was fifteen years old when she went to Syria.

Four years later, she still says she doesn't regret the journey. She says she was old enough to make the decision she did.

This terrorist wife (!!) tried to express sorrow that innocent civilians get killed (her effort to try and sell herself to us as a normal, 'caring' girl). She then promptly tripped herself up by trying to paint an equivalence of that with Western military actions that also kill people.

Noir ... wake up to the fact that she still sees things the ISIS way. She wants sympathy (she's said she believes she deserves some !!). But she still holds 'values' in line with ISIS thinking.

She doesn't deserve to return back to the UK. I say, let her rot where she is .. OR .. let's see her sent to somewhere like Gitmo. More ... if she did return (would you want her to, Noir ??), would she pose a permanent threat to our people ? By her own actions, maybe. By her attempts to radicalise others, also maybe.

She's an unrepentant enemy, and traitor to her country. NOTHING argues in favour of her return. At least .. not if justice is to be served.

[Noir]

Yes. Shamima Begum was fifteen years old when she went to Syria.

Four years later, she still says she doesn't regret the journey. She says she was old enough to make the decision she did.

This terrorist wife (!!) tried to express sorrow that innocent civilians get killed (her effort to try and sell herself to us as a normal, 'caring' girl). She then promptly tripped herself up by trying to paint an equivalence of that with Western military actions that also kill people.

Noir ... wake up to the fact that she still sees things the ISIS way. She wants sympathy (she's said she believes she deserves some !!). But she still holds 'values' in line with ISIS thinking.

She doesn't deserve to return back to the UK. I say, let her rot where she is .. OR .. let's see her sent to somewhere like Gitmo. More ... if she did return (would you want her to, Noir ??), would she pose a permanent threat to our people ? By her own actions, maybe. By her attempts to radicalise others, also maybe.

She's an unrepentant enemy, and traitor to her country. NOTHING argues in favour of her return. At least .. not if justice is to be served.

Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?

[Drummond]

Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?

She's saying no such thing. Be properly aware of that, Noir, and learn accordingly.

But to answer you .. no, on balance, if she had claimed it was a mistake in her view, I doubt such a claim could be believed. She did, after all, marry a terrorist. She made no move in four years to leave Syria, preferring instead to loyally stay with her terrorist husband. Only ISIS's defeat, and her resulting plight, causes her to want to return.

That, Noir, is very apparent to anybody seeing her situation realistically.

Noir, a piece of advice ... STOP TRYING to see this terrorist bride in sympathetic terms. Stop being an apologist for her. She is OUR ENEMY.

I suggest you wake up to that fact. If your Socialist myopia permits it, anyway ....

[Noir]

But to answer you .. no

What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?

No, it's not.

Well, not for all sorts.

[Drummond]

What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?

OK, Noir, you want to play this game, one of 'there's room for having sympathy with a terrorist supporter and loyal follower, if only you look hard enough' ... ??

I'll start by stating the obvious. What Shamima Begum has done leaves ZERO room for viewing her case any differently.

She sneaked into Syria illegally ... not even using her own passport, as I understand (which says a lot for her deviousness and determination to link up with ISIS in the first place).

She stayed there, not just for days or weeks, or even just a handful of months, but for FOUR YEARS.

In that time, she married a terrorist.

She repeatedly fell pregnant (.. so you could hardly say she didn't do her best to fulfill her 'obligation' as a terrorist wife !).

She's now given birth ... to her son. The name she's given her son is 'Jerah'. The significance of that name is as reported here:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...slamic-warlord

ISLAMIC State bride Shamima Begum has named her newborn son Jerah, which means “one who wounds” and may also be a reference to a savage 7th century warlord who slaughtered non-believers.

Perhaps, Noir, you see this as evidence of her fitness to return back to British society ??

There's her comment about the Manchester bombing, which I've posted about.

You want to know, Noir, what might have made me view her case differently ? It's easy.

Proof of her unwillingness to be a terrorist's wife.

Proof of her unwillingness to stay allied to ISIS, by getting out of Syria after 'learning her mistake'.

Proof of her revulsion, NOT of constructing a supportive argument (!) for a terrorist act as it occurred in Manchester.

Proof of her inclination to NOT name her son after a Muslim warlord !!!

Getting the picture, Noir, OR, are you still seeking a way to evoke sympathy for this PIECE OF TRASH ???

[Noir]

You want to know, Noir, what might have made me view her case differently ? It's easy.

Proof of her unwillingness to be a terrorist's wife.

Proof of her unwillingness to stay allied to ISIS, by getting out of Syria after 'learning her mistake'.

Proof of her revulsion, NOT of constructing a supportive argument (!) for a terrorist act as it occurred in Manchester.

Proof of her inclination to NOT name her son after a Muslim warlord !!!

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?

Is the IRA trying to take over the world?

That's the intention of ISLAM.

When are you going to display some sort of indication that you have a clue?

Good God, you're the best example of being MENTALLY CRIPPLED by LIBERAL THOUGHT that I've ever seen on a message board.

Have you EVER in your LIFE had a YES or NO answer to ANYTHING? Something you just KNEW was either RIGHT or WRONG. Have you EVER?

What makes a person like you such a SQUEAMISH little worm?

I swear... the topic could be have lunch or DIE and you'd have to THINK ABOUT IT, you'd have to psychoanalyze it.

The most OBVIOUS things seem to ESCAPE you. I can't even get into your brain. I have no idea how someone like you can be so OBLIVIOUS to the OBVIOUS.

[Drummond]

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?

See post #31 from High Plains Drifter. My response is 'ditto'.

Noir, instead of asking the questions you are, why not debate more freely, telling us what your views are ? You're refraining, thus far, from doing that. Why ?

Is it because you think they can't stand up to scrutiny ?

You might care to start by telling us, clearly and candidly: ARE YOU a terrorist (or terrorist bride) supporter ? If you think, somehow, that there are shades of support or leniency that can ever be deserved to those individuals ... WHY ?

So: if you seriously think the likes of Shamima Begum (or any American equivalent of her, as this thread includes mention of) can deserve support, or a defence of any kind, tell us the basis for your thinking. What do YOU think Shamima Begum deserves to have happen to her ?

Try not to be too offensive in your reply.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?



Well, not for all sorts.

Sheeeezuz... you ignorant little TWIT.

[jimnyc]

LOL LOL LOL

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NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.



"Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

"In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/846359...h-citizenship/

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world...jUS?li=AAggbRN
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907

[High_Plains_Drifter]

LOL LOL LOL

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NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.



"Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

"In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/846359...h-citizenship/

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world...jUS?li=AAggbRN
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907

Now it's America's turn to do the same thing with other little tart that had to RUN OFF AND JOIN ISIS. I know Pedo Pete would probably like to MARRY HER, but that's another story.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

LOL LOL LOL

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NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.



"Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

"In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/846359...h-citizenship/

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world...jUS?li=AAggbRN
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907

She is a non-citizen terrorist, now have her shot.. Send a team over there to execute the ffing traitor.
And Noir, her being female makes no difference to me, A traitor 's gender makes no difference.
Shoot her and be done with it- plus serve as an example to others thinking they can do that and later be accepted back home as if they merely took a vacation at some fancy resort.
Apparently you have no damn clue what being a true citizen is,, methinks..-Tyr

[Drummond]

Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?

No doubt Noir is following the case of Shamima Begum using much of the media source material that I do ... in which case, he should've just learned of this following development: our Government has announced she's going to be stripped of British citizenship.

Apparently, as she has 'another country' she is entitled to request citizenship from, the British Government says it can do this without legal impediment.

More ... here's a further taste of WHY she isn't fit to hold British citizenship ....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...cide-bomb-isis

SHAMIMA BEGUM sparked an outcry after she said the Manchester Arena bomb attack, which killed 22 people, was “justified”. The teenage jihadi bride said it was “wrong that innocent people got killed” at the Ariana Grande concert. But she provoked anger by comparing the atrocity to the "women and children" bombed in Islamic State-held Baghuz in Syria.

Begum said they were "being killed right now unjustly. It's a two-way thing really because women and children are being killed back in the Islamic State right now and it's kind of retaliation.

"Like, their [IS] justification was that it was retaliation so I thought 'Okay, that is a fair justification'." It's kind of retaliation."

This is proof of her continuing sympathy for, and identification with, the ISIS so-called 'cause'.

I trust that you're making notes, Noir. Sympathy for this terrorist sympathiser and terrorist bride is just wrong-headed. She believes she can make a case for a defence of an act of wholesale terrorist murder.

No wonder she could never be trusted to return here.

[jimnyc]

As to the American ISIS nitwit

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We shouldn’t let the ISIS bride come back to America

Hoda Muthana, a 24-year-old American woman who left the US to join ISIS five years ago, is really sorry and wants to come home. We shouldn’t let her.

It should be obvious that when someone takes up arms against their country, they have committed treason and should never be allowed to return. Yet our friends across the pond are proving obvious it isn’t.

Britain is having a raging debate about whether they should allow back their own homegrown terrorist, Shamima Begum, who ran away to join ISIS four years ago. Begum actually admits she has no regrets about joining the Islamic State and wishes she was strong enough to stick it out. And still the Brits aren’t sure what to do with her! Diane Abbott, Britain’s shadow home secretary, said that sure, they would investigate and maybe prosecute Begum, but ultimately, “We are not in favour of making people stateless, that’s a punishment without due process.” Due process is for crime, not war. Begum understands we’re at war; Abbott does not.

That debate about whether to allow citizenship to extend to people who want to actually destroy their home country is coming to America.

Muthana is already laying the groundwork for her “My bad on the whole becoming a terrorist” thing.

“I believe that America gives second chances,” Muthana told The Guardian in her plea to return. Sorry, but no. Let’s not allow Muthana to use our openness and love of “second chances” against us. There are some things that are unforgivable and joining the enemy to fight your home country is among them.

In 2015, Muthana urged her fellow Muslims to randomly murder Americans, tweeting, “You have much to do while you live under our greatest enemy, enough of your sleeping! Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriot, Memorial etc Day parades…go on drive by’s + spill all of their blood or rent a big truck n drive all over them. Kill them.”

For Americans, the fight only sometimes reaches our shores, but it rages without end for many around the world. We can’t allow our comfort to make us naive. ISIS is a civilizational threat and they can wait out any culture that takes a soft approach toward them because it doesn’t understand that. Four short years ago, Americans were Muthana’s “greatest enemy.” Since then, she has married three different Islamic State fighters only to have each die fighting for the cause. Is it possible she’s had a change of heart despite that? Sure.

Rest - https://nypost.com/2019/02/18/we-sho...ck-to-america/

[jimnyc]

Look at this twit from the UK, saying it's "unjust" of her not being able to return.

Tough shit, enjoy living in the sand with the scum you chose.

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Shamima Begum: Being stripped of my British citizenship is hard to swallow and unjust

Shamima Begum, the Isil bride, has described being stripped of her British citizenship is "unjust" and "hard to swallow" after she was shown the Home Office's documentation of the decision.

The 19-year-old, who had expressed the desire to return to the UK with her newborn son, was banned on Tuesday from entering the country.

At a refugee camp in northeastern Syria, she was shown the Government's letter, showing that she is no longer a British national.

"I don't know what to say," she told ITV News. "I am not that shocked but I am a bit shocked. It’s a bit upsetting and frustrating. I feel like it’s a bit unjust on me and my son."

She added: "It’s kind of heart-breaking to read. My family made it sound like it would be a lot easier for me to come back to the UK when I was speaking to them in Baghouz. It’s kind of hard to swallow."

Begum claimed that she was being treated harshly because "I was on the news four years ago", saying that she heard of "other people being sent back to Britain".

Rest - https://www.yahoo.com/news/shamima-b...101037923.html