old news: TSA "constitutionally" searching cars

[Elessar]

Going into every airport with commercial service you will see a sign
or placard stating that all vehicles are subject to search under Federal Law.
TSA is mandated to enforce this legal statute.

There are also signs along the fenceline stating 'No Trespassing', quoting
Federal Law. Locals, usually the Sheriff's Department, are the ones to do
initial enforcement.

[jimnyc]

Going into every airport with commercial service you will see a sign
or placard stating that all vehicles are subject to search under Federal Law.
TSA is mandated to enforce this legal statute.

There are also signs along the fenceline stating 'No Trespassing', quoting
Federal Law. Locals, usually the Sheriff's Department, are the ones to do
initial enforcement.

I believe we've seen the same with luggage as well, all being up for search when in an airport. Especially if not carry on luggage, sometimes they not only xray/scan it, but also open it and inspect. I've seen people upset that when they get to their destination they have actually found a note inside from the person who inspected it!!

I don't have an issue with the luggage or anything going inside an airplane, but I'd have to read more about the vehicles BS, as that sounds like too much, but I haven't read on it yet.

And the UN? What to they have to do with any of this? Other than perhaps trying to push a few buttons?

[Elessar]

I believe we've seen the same with luggage as well, all being up for search when in an airport. Especially if not carry on luggage, sometimes they not only xray/scan it, but also open it and inspect. I've seen people upset that when they get to their destination they have actually found a note inside from the person who inspected it!!

I don't have an issue with the luggage or anything going inside an airplane, but I'd have to read more about the vehicles BS, as that sounds like too much, but I haven't read on it yet.

And the UN? What to they have to do with any of this? Other than perhaps trying to push a few buttons?

All I can reply with is that if I had been in vessel inspections I could search a vessel without the need
of a warrant because the USCG does NOT need a warrant unless there is a specific need for targeting.

If you have nothing to hide, there is nothing to fear.

Vehicle searches at a public airport are for the safety of all patrons.

[revelarts]

...
If you have nothing to hide, there is nothing to fear.
....

and there ya have it, the constitution on fire.

So at that point there's no need for warrants ANYWHERE Elessar.
they can come in your house, at the airport, or into your car on the street. your business, your bank. etc..
the nothing to hide rule.

But i have to ask. If you do refuse a search are you then a criminal by default?
is there ANY need for REASONABLE suspicion? or probably cause?
What a bout a warrant at that point or is refusal itself suspicious?

[NightTrain]

and there ya have it, the constitution on fire.

So at that point there's no need for warrants ANYWHERE Elessar.
they can come in your house, at the airport, or into your car on the street. your business, your bank. etc..
the nothing to hide rule.

But i have to ask. If you do refuse a search are you then a criminal by default?
is there ANY need for REASONABLE suspicion? or probably cause?
What a bout a warrant at that point or is refusal itself suspicious?

No, it's completely different than them coming into your house and searching.

You don't need to fly, it's a choice.

Being searched at an airport is a hassle, we all agree. But wouldn't you rather get a small hassle like dealing with TSA or being blown out of the sky with a few hundred others by a bomb brought along by your friendly neighborhood muzzie?

[revelarts]

Thanks Gunny.
Want to see a tough system? Try Israel.
Rev...You need to wake up and smell the coffee. I know Federal Law. TSA stinks because the
job is offered open market. I had to go through a lot of training compared to them. However,
when on their turf I kept quiet and complied with them, as a Professional will do.

Warrantless searches will happen. Some woman screaming "RAPE" or gunshots in
a house do NOT require warrants to enter and resolve. Smell of MJ in a vehicle does
NOT require a warrant to search. Miranda law can be over-ridden in an emergent situation,
and is fully backed up by our Supreme Court.

who's complaining a about warrentless "searches" based on gunshots or a cry of rape Elessar?
THAT IS Probable Cause/Reasonable Suspicion by definition.

what i'm talking about is FISHING expeditions, searching EVERYONE, random searches, random frisk, electronically athering and storing private info and others info willy nilly, making list on innocent peoples actions, names, associations, etc just because they can and they MIGHT, possibly be a danger one day maybe.
the coffee's BURNING elessar maybe you've been to close to notice.

as far as "following orders" goes, well we know how that ends. And concerning respecting others doing a piss poor job without comment or correction, well if that's professionalism then it seems to me we need new standards.
What ever happen to see something say something.
does that apply to other officers/professionals obviously over steeping constitutional, legal and even common sense bounds?

If other professionals who KNOW the law and BEST practices don't/won't correct other "professionals" then there nothing to to do but to expect lowly civilians like myself to complain until somethings done to realign LEOs to the constitution. Seems to me the TSA makes YOU look bad as well especially if you just stand by and WATCH them screw up day after day.

I'm smelling the coffee and it's BURNT. it needs to be trashed and new pots put on.
If professional well trained coffee makers just stand around and watch the coffee burn out of professional courtesy sorry in my mind that's unacceptable.

[revelarts]

No, it's completely different than them coming into your house and searching.
You don't need to fly, it's a choice.
Being searched at an airport is a hassle, we all agree. But wouldn't you rather get a small hassle like dealing with TSA or being blown out of the sky with a few hundred others by a bomb brought along by your friendly neighborhood muzzie?

you don't NEED a house. Having a House is CHOICE.
Driving is a PRIVILEGE. If you're on Gov't Roads then the gov't can search your car and your bodily orifices. you're on a PUBLIC road by Choice THEREFORE for the sake of public safety it needs to be allowed. It's a hassle but would you rather DIE!! Some friendly neighborhood muzzie might be sitting in traffic with bomb. Or maybe at school. are you SURE they didn't come into your House?!!

depending on the level of FEAR the lines crosses will continue and people will say it's "reasonable" even claim it's constitutional.
Even though it's Neither.
the TSA has NOT worked. But they have pissed on our rights. Rights some seem to think we never had.

[Gunny]

who's complaining a about warrentless "searches" based on gunshots or a cry of rape Elessar?
THAT IS Probable Cause/Reasonable Suspicion by definition.

what i'm talking about is FISHING expeditions, searching EVERYONE, random searches, random frisk, electronically athering and storing private info and others info willy nilly, making list on innocent peoples actions, names, associations, etc just because they can and they MIGHT, possibly be a danger one day maybe.
the coffee's BURNING elessar maybe you've been to close to notice.

as far as "following orders" goes, well we know how that ends. And concerning respecting others doing a piss poor job without comment or correction, well if that's professionalism then it seems to me we need new standards.
What ever happen to see something say something.
does that apply to other officers/professionals obviously over steeping constitutional, legal and even common sense bounds?

If other professionals who KNOW the law and BEST practices don't/won't correct other "professionals" then there nothing to to do but to expect lowly civilians like myself to complain until somethings done to realign LEOs to the constitution. Seems to me the TSA makes YOU look bad as well especially if you just stand by and WATCH them screw up day after day.

I'm smelling the coffee and it's BURNT. it needs to be trashed and new pots put on.
If professional well trained coffee makers just stand around and watch the coffee burn out of professional courtesy sorry in my mind that's unacceptable.

You don't know a thing about following orders. You want to indict the whole for the actions of the few. I personally, that I know of, never met one person that would carry out an unlawful order. But you better have your ducks in a row when you take on the system.

The TSA doesn't make us look bad. They're rent-a-cops. We are trained professionals. YOU trying to include them with us is insulting.

[Elessar]

and there ya have it, the constitution on fire.

So at that point there's no need for warrants ANYWHERE Elessar.
they can come in your house, at the airport, or into your car on the street. your business, your bank. etc..
the nothing to hide rule.

But i have to ask. If you do refuse a search are you then a criminal by default?
is there ANY need for REASONABLE suspicion? or probably cause?
What a bout a warrant at that point or is refusal itself suspicious?

I made NO such implications at all. I responded to the point of being on Federally
|recognized property by TSA. Then used the example of doing vessel inspections.

A home or vehicle elsewhere is different. Unless there is probable cause or an emergent
situation, a warrant is needed.

You twisted it, not me. You got nothing to hide, then you should have no worries.

Constitution is NOT on fire unless you are the one burning it.

[Gunny]

I made NO such implications at all. I responded to the point of being on Federally
|recognized property by TSA. Then used the example of doing vessel inspections.

A home or vehicle elsewhere is different. Unless there is probable cause or an emergent
situation, a warrant is needed.

You twisted it, not me. You got nothing to hide, then you should have no worries.

Constitution is NOT on fire unless you are the one burning it.

I hate TSA. We can start there. They're so dumb they can't spell it. I consider them the Gestapo.

However, @revelarts you have to consider your audience. You never do. Elessar is a law enforcement agent. He's carrying out his orders. We don't sit around and ask why unless it's unlawful.

[Elessar]

I hate TSA. We can start there. They're so dumb they can't spell it. I consider them the Gestapo.

However, @revelarts you have to consider your audience. You never do. Elessar is a law enforcement agent. He's carrying out his orders. We don't sit around and ask why unless it's unlawful.

Thanks Gunny.

Want to see a tough system? Try Israel.

Rev...You need to wake up and smell the coffee. I know Federal Law. TSA stinks because the
job is offered open market. I had to go through a lot of training compared to them. However,
when on their turf I kept quiet and complied with them, as a Professional will do.

Warrantless searches will happen. Some woman screaming "RAPE" or gunshots in
a house do NOT require warrants to enter and resolve. Smell of MJ in a vehicle does
NOT require a warrant to search. Miranda law can be over-ridden in an emergent situation,
and is fully backed up by our Supreme Court.