Scores of Utah shelter animals used in research

[Gaffer]

So just cus you are not able to domesticate a Pig it is fine to murder them, what delightful logic =/

It's fine to kill them for food. You sure like to throw the word murder around. You don't even know what it means. Just another liberal talking point trying to make people feel guilty.

Sentient, aware of ones self.

Animals act on instinct, they do not create things or use tools. They do not act, they react depending on their instinct. Animals don't worry, they don't get bored and they don't care about anything but their next meal.

[Noir]

It's fine to kill them for food. You sure like to throw the word murder around. You don't even know what it means. Just another liberal talking point trying to make people feel guilty.

I know what the legal definition is, however, on a personal level a death for no reason is murder, if you don't agree fair enough.

Sentient, aware of ones self.

Indeedy...and animals are aware of themselves.

Animals act on instinct, they do not create things or use tools. They do not act, they react depending on their instinct. Animals don't worry, they don't get bored and they don't care about anything but their next meal.

This is utter crap, truly.
About a year ago my dog, Max, got depressed. Out of the blue, for no reason. (well not one that i will ever know anyway) He did not want to go on walks, he lost allot of weight by not eating, and would just sit in his room for hour after hour doing nothing. Thankfully he came out of it after a few weeks and i will never forget that day, so sorry if i seem dismissive of you telling me that animals don't care about anything, because i have seen it first hand.
It is also worth noting that i use to let him sleep in my room, even though he has his own, and whenever i moved away to Uni my dad started putting him in his room again. Since then he has learned how to open doors, and goes to sleep in my room some nights, are you saying he does that because he is thinking about his next meal?

And again "they do not create things" do birds not make birds nests?

[crin63]

So just cus you are not able to domesticate a Pig it is fine to murder them, what delightful logic =/

You can kill animals (for whatever reason), you can skin them for their pelts, you can cook em up and eat them, you can shoot the little ones for target practice so you don't miss the big ones, but no matter what you do to them you cannot murder them. They're just animals.

I've had a dog that played hide & seek with me, he brushed himself by putting the brush on the floor and pushing himself over it, I had another dog that I would say committed suicide because he lost a fight and it so demoralized him that he went and laid down till he died but they were just animals.

[Noir]

You can kill animals (for whatever reason), you can skin them for their pelts, you can cook em up and eat them, you can shoot the little ones for target practice so you don't miss the big ones, but no matter what you do to them you cannot murder them. They're just animals.

Indeedy you can not legaly murder them, but as i'm sure your know all to well, legality and morality are not one and the same, so a legal murder? No. A moral murder? Yes.

I've had a dog that played hide & seek with me, he brushed himself by putting the brush on the floor and pushing himself over it, I had another dog that I would say committed suicide because he lost a fight and it so demoralized him that he went and laid down till he died but they were just animals.

They were just animals, but you would have not decided to play hide and seek with your dog one day and when you find him proceed to cut his throat for no reason, or shoot him for target practice. Does it ever occur to you if your out shooting birds or whatever that it may have chicks waiting for it back at its nest? and given that do you think its right to condemn those chicks to starve to death because you felt like shooting something?

[Mr. P]

Indeedy you can not legaly murder them, but as i'm sure your know all to well, legality and morality are not one and the same, so a legal murder? No. A moral murder? Yes.



They were just animals, but you would have not decided to play hide and seek with your dog one day and when you find him proceed to cut his throat for no reason, or shoot him for target practice. Does it ever occur to you if your out shooting birds or whatever that it may have chicks waiting for it back at its nest? and given that do you think its right to condemn those chicks to starve to death because you felt like shooting something?

Does conservation occur to you? Our hunting seasons take into account the breeding seasons, total population and available food sources. We maintain wildlife populations through responsible harvesting practices.

[Noir]

Does conservation occur to you? Our hunting seasons take into account the breeding seasons, total population and available food sources. We maintain wildlife populations through responsible harvesting practices.

Nature has a way of looking after itself. It did so for all the years before guns were around and any tom, dick or harry would go slaughtering at a whim.

I see you didn't answer the question aswell, rather you chose to attack,

[Mr. P]

Nature has a way of looking after itself. It did so for all the years before guns were around and any tom, dick or harry would go slaughtering at a whim.

I see you didn't answer the question aswell, rather you chose to attack,

There was no attack.

So, you'd rather see wildlife die of starvation an disease? Is that right?

[Noir]

There was no attack.

So, you'd rather see wildlife die of starvation an disease? Is that right?

I would rather let nature take its corse, it one type of bird or another is doomed to die out then that is natures way, and we should not be messing with that.

This is ofcourse a different issue to the production of meat, which is an even worse evil still.

[Mr. P]

I would rather let nature take its corse, it one type of bird or another is doomed to die out then that is natures way, and we should not be messing with that.

This is ofcourse a different issue to the production of meat, which is an even worse evil still.

Well it may surprise you, Noir. But here in the USA..hunters and fishermen strive to maintain the population of ALL the wildlife.
They are "true" conservationist.

[Noir]

Well it may surprise you, Noir. But here in the USA..hunters and fishermen strive to maintain the population of ALL the wildlife.
They are "true" conservationist.

Yeah, because before the hunters turned up nature just couldn't cope, infact it was a mess for hundreds of thousands of years, thank gawd for the hunters.

As previously said nature has a way of doing things, if the red finned tuna is meant to over run and replace all of the blue finned tuna in an area due to nature then IMO nature should be left to itself. Now when it is man that is wiping a species out, then we must act to stop it, and normally when a species is endangered because of man its because of, er, hunting. Isn't that what happened to the buffalo of America?

[crin63]

Indeedy you can not legaly murder them, but as i'm sure your know all to well, legality and morality are not one and the same, so a legal murder? No. A moral murder? Yes.



They were just animals, but you would have not decided to play hide and seek with your dog one day and when you find him proceed to cut his throat for no reason, or shoot him for target practice. Does it ever occur to you if your out shooting birds or whatever that it may have chicks waiting for it back at its nest? and given that do you think its right to condemn those chicks to starve to death because you felt like shooting something?

What do you want me to say, " I don't care"? Okay, I Don't Care! It will be a quick clean kill.

[Mr. P]

Yeah, because before the hunters turned up nature just couldn't cope, infact it was a mess for hundreds of thousands of years, thank gawd for the hunters.

As previously said nature has a way of doing things, if the red finned tuna is meant to over run and replace all of the blue finned tuna in an area due to nature then IMO nature should be left to itself. Now when it is man that is wiping a species out, then we must act to stop it, and normally when a species is endangered because of man its because of, er, hunting. Isn't that what happened to the buffalo of America?

We still have Buffalo in America..

As a matter of fact some folks grow them for food. Yep, they sell to gourmet markets and high end restaurants.

[Noir]

We still have Buffalo in America..

As a matter of fact some folks grow them for food. Yep, they sell to gourmet markets and high end restaurants.

I know they still exist, but where they not slaughtered to within an inch of their existence? Maybe i have remembered that wrong,

[Mr. P]

I know they still exist, but where they not slaughtered to within an inch of their existence? Maybe i have remembered that wrong,

Yes, but we brought them back..so we could eat them.

[Noir]

Yes, but we brought them back..so we could eat them.

How delightful.