Watching The Catholic Church stuff

[PostmodernProphet]

attributing things to me I haven't said.

and yet, you keep repeating it....

Why is this such a struggle for you, I wonder.

because I'm concerned about someone who says he can walk down the street killing every other person he meets and not be sinning because his heart isn't in it.....it boggles the mind that you would even voice it.....

make one simple admission and this argument can be over.....being disobedient to God by doing something he has commanded us not to do, is in fact a sin.......

[darin]

because I'm concerned about someone who says he can walk down the street killing every other person he meets and not be sinning because his heart isn't in it.....it boggles the mind that you would even voice it.....

it boggles the mind you make that shit up about what I wrote.

If you want to be a child about this discussion, I can't stop you - but, c'mon...really?

You really, REALLY come-off like a Pharisee of biblical stories. It's honestly saddening how you twist what I'm telling you to find the worst-possible conclusion; instead of applying context and common-sense to what you "hear" from me. Stop it, for your OWN good.

(shrug).

[PostmodernProphet]

Stop it, for your OWN good.

wtf?.....what are you going to do, ban me because I question your logic?......I'm merely repeating what you say....

[darin]

wtf?.....what are you going to do, ban me because I question your logic?......I'm merely repeating what you say....

No - of course not. Thinking I'd BAN you for not in being in agreement with me is stupid and borderline insulting. That doesn't happen on this board.

What I'm cautioning you is this: Stop lying about what I write for your OWN good spiritually. You are NOT repeating me; You are taking what I write and absolutely lying about what it means; You are taking what I write and drawing it out to the ridiculous. </SPAN>

[PostmodernProphet]

What I'm cautioning you is this: Stop lying about what I write for your OWN good spiritually. You are NOT repeating me; You are taking what I write and absolutely lying about what it means; You are taking what I write and drawing it out to the ridiculous.

am I sinning when I do it?........because it would seem contradictory for you to say it isn't good for me spiritually when apparently you think I don't have to be concerned with it after being forgiven by God.....

[darin]

am I sinning when I do it?........because it would seem contradictory for you to say it isn't good for me spiritually when apparently you think I don't have to be concerned with it after being forgiven by God.....

Let me ask you - when you are changing the definition of words with an attempt to slant what I wrote into something it's NOT, how is your heart at those moments?

[avatar4321]

Let me ask you - when you are changing the definition of words with an attempt to slant what I wrote into something it's NOT, how is your heart at those moments?

I think that's something we all need to ask frequently.

[darin]

I think that's something we all need to ask frequently.

Here's what I see - I see at least two guys who don't agree with what I see in the Bible, but instead of honestly caring MORE about understanding and learning something maybe they have not considered, they want to try and play 'gotcha' using semantics.

Here's what I like about EVERY Mormon I've met: To a body, they debate and discuss in good faith. Couple that with them being outstanding citizens to their community and I think a lot of non-mormon-christian groups could learn a LOT about Love.

[avatar4321]

Here's what I see - I see at least two guys who don't agree with what I see in the Bible, but instead of honestly caring MORE about understanding and learning something maybe they have not considered, they want to try and play 'gotcha' using semantics.

Here's what I like about EVERY Mormon I've met: To a body, they debate and discuss in good faith. Couple that with them being outstanding citizens to their community and I think a lot of non-mormon-christian groups could learn a LOT about Love.

I think we all could learn alot about love. Sometimes it's very difficult not to just go out and attack someone (Im talking in posts not physically). Biting the tongue, especially when they are attacking you is not easy. I can't tell you how many times I've had to delete something I wrote out because it just wasnt kind or charitable. It's also why I've been trying to cut sarcasm out of my life. It's often mean and mocking. But it comes so easily.

I've been very ashamed at the lack of love I've had for others. I just keep praying the Lord will continue to forgive me and give me greater charity for others. Because I know I can do it on my own.

[revelarts]

Here's what I see - I see at least two guys who don't agree with what I see in the Bible, but instead of honestly caring MORE about understanding and learning something maybe they have not considered, they want to try and play 'gotcha' using semantics.

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DMP, symantic games? I think you'd agree that sin is serious, Christ die for it. it's no game in my mind.
as far as understanding what yours saying, DMP , well don't assume that because I think you are wrong that i don't comprehend what your trying to say.
as if i'm blocking some great truth that your trying to impart but i'm to stubborn to embrace.
I just think your position is inconsistent, that it denies important realities of spiritual life and is unbiblical in a significant area.

pointing out those facts and trying to clarify your use of words, definitions and applications,
then comparing that to what the bible says and my own understanding is not gothca it is very honest discussion.

And also, covering uncomfortable truths with agreeable polite talk is not always love.

[avatar4321]

And also, covering uncomfortable truths with agreeable polite talk is not always love.

It's not mutually exclusive either.

[revelarts]

It's not mutually exclusive either.

not always, but sometimes it is.

Is there really any comfortable and agreeable way to bring really bad news. there are bad ways and kinder ways but no really comfortable ways.

And sometimes there's no easy way to say you believe someone is fatally mistaken.

Speaking the truth in love is what we are called to do. some of us miss that mark more time we'd like.
but sometime the receiver just doesn't think it's love at all no matter how kindly presented, simply because the content is so disagreeable.

From the Jewish leaders and Romans POV Jesus needed to be killed because of the content of his message not because he was an unkind person.

[PostmodernProphet]

Let me ask you - when you are changing the definition of words with an attempt to slant what I wrote into something it's NOT, how is your heart at those moments?

I am intent on saving you from inconsistency......

[PostmodernProphet]

they want to try and play 'gotcha' using semantics.

fine, if you think the word sin is just semantics answer this correctly and I will forget we ever had an argument......is acting contrary to what God told us to do in the Ten Commandments disobedient or not?........

[gabosaurus]

Cardinal Kitteh demands a recount!