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    Default The Palestineans got a raw deal.

    I'm beginning to think so. Deconstruct away.
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    What are we talking about, what did I miss?

    Not really a fan of the Palestinians....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    What are we talking about, what did I miss?

    Not really a fan of the Palestinians....
    Nothing. I just think that government, starting with the UN, has screwed over the process over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Nothing. I just think that government, starting with the UN, has screwed over the process over there.
    I do have sympathy for the many citizens living there that are stuck - and also are against terrorism and don't support the terror groups within.
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    They need a raw deal, since they deal out terrorism and murder as a hobby, imho.
    I can have no sympathy for them. None at all. Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    They need a raw deal, since they deal out terrorism and murder as a hobby, imho.
    I can have no sympathy for them. None at all. Tyr
    Why condemn the whole for the minority? It also ignores the history of the creation of the state of Isreal. It was a UN creation and the UN does very little well.
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    [QUOTE=fj1200;1010833]Why condemn the whole for the minority? It also ignores the history of the creation of the state of Isreal. It was a UN creation and the UN does very little well.[/QUOTE

    They follow the pack of wolves that are leading them. In for a penny, in for a pound. Guilt by a blinded following of murdering thugs, imho. .--Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    They follow the pack of wolves that are leading them. In for a penny, in for a pound. Guilt by a blinded following of murdering thugs, imho. .--Tyr
    Good talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I'm beginning to think so. Deconstruct away.
    As have the Jewish for centuries. Raw deals happen.
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
    like sheep to the slaughter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    As have the Jewish for centuries. Raw deals happen.
    Correct. No sense in studying history I guess. S* happens!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Correct. No sense in studying history I guess. S* happens!
    Study history. Have an opinion. Native Americans got a raw deal as well.

    I'm Irish ... my ancestors were killed by Cromwell and one immigrated to America. We lost our castles, land, titles ... but we survived as indentured servants in America.

    Shit happens.
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    ^ I feel we all solved a pressing problem of the day by diving deep into the issues that may continue to plague the world. Good job everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    ^ I feel we all solved a pressing problem of the day by diving deep into the issues that may continue to plague the world. Good job everyone.
    The UN did not exist when Israel was recreated. Palestine was a state within the Nation of Transjordan, part of the Ottoman Empire. Palestine as an actual nation never actually existed. Palestinians are Arabs - semites - like all the rest.

    The Balfour Agreement in 1924 reestablished the Jewish state. Not out of altruism mind you; rather, out of antisemitism and how far away from us can we get them.

    Transjordan was a British mandate following WWI and the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire. Technically speaking, by the standard of the day rather than revisionism of acts then by standards pretended to be held now, it was Britain's to do with however it saw fit. The Ottomans were on the losing end.

    Israel/Judea in fact existed until the Romans erased it from history because they kept rebelling.

    I would say Palestine got a damned good deal since Israel occupied all of what is now called Palestine and the PLO had its ass kicked all the way into Syria and Lebanon. They had the right to expect nothing and Israel had every right to give them nothing; which, is what they would have gotten from me.

    I see the whole Israel-Palestine conflict as contrived by nobodies making a living from war because they'd otherwise have to get real jobs, based on the usual hatred of difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    The UN did not exist when Israel was recreated. Palestine was a state within the Nation of Transjordan, part of the Ottoman Empire. Palestine as an actual nation never actually existed. Palestinians are Arabs - semites - like all the rest.

    The Balfour Agreement in 1924 reestablished the Jewish state. Not out of altruism mind you; rather, out of antisemitism and how far away from us can we get them.

    Transjordan was a British mandate following WWI and the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire. Technically speaking, by the standard of the day rather than revisionism of acts then by standards pretended to be held now, it was Britain's to do with however it saw fit. The Ottomans were on the losing end.

    Israel/Judea in fact existed until the Romans erased it from history because they kept rebelling.

    I would say Palestine got a damned good deal since Israel occupied all of what is now called Palestine and the PLO had its ass kicked all the way into Syria and Lebanon. They had the right to expect nothing and Israel had every right to give them nothing; which, is what they would have gotten from me.

    I see the whole Israel-Palestine conflict as contrived by nobodies making a living from war because they'd otherwise have to get real jobs, based on the usual hatred of difference.
    UN 1947, modern State of Israel 1948. My reference to the bad deal goes back to the creation of the modern state and how those actions are causing todays problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    UN 1947, modern State of Israel 1948. My reference to the bad deal goes back to the creation of the modern state and how those actions are causing todays problems.
    My bottom line comes down to the many offers to Palestinians to gain land, a state. Always they turn it down and increase the violence. They will not compromise with the existence of Jews. Period.


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